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| ID Verification in SL. Big brother over protective? |
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| Angel Slocombe |
 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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I used to qualify for concierge support and used the live chat system to talk to someone when I couldn't verify, all they said was it must be because my passport was quite new and not to worry about it .... that was back when they were just trialling it for concierge members. i've tried again since and it still doesn't work.
Basically, I think they'll find a lot of people won't be able to verify using this system.
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| Debra Charron |
| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose I'm taking a cynical approach to this. I've been in SL since Mid-2005, my Main has been paying a hefty chunk of land tier to SL and Anshe since November 2005.
If Linden Labs wants to keep the business of those of us who pay their bills - then they will do what it takes to keep us. If they cannot or are prevented - then I'll probably be paying the same amount of bucks to another service provider who will.
Anshe Chung should also be seeing the writing on the wall - as goes the fate of Linden labs, so goes Anshe Chung Studios flagship business. I'm thinking if Anshe is smart, she'll apply a bit of pressure - but who knows.
I appreciate the environment in midian, I'd hate to see it hampered by ID verification - and I'd hate to see SL go down the tubes due to poor business practices and failure to litigate effectively against the forces of Political Correctness and Moral Purity.
I'm against verification - but if LL insists on throwing itself in front of a bus, I'll find something else.
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| Aranea Cullen |
| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dispite thousands of people telling LL that this is a bad idea and that they are inviolation of US bills against Identity theift and protection of personal information acts so stated in the library of Congress, and other countries like Canada who have laws against SIN numbers and passport numbers being given out for any other reason than for employment etc........LL has implimented a live version of the age verification, hard coded into the clients.
FYI
All of this is unnecessary. LL ass was covered if they only had stuck to their TOS and account set up limitations all of this violation of the laws across the board would not have been even a thought.
ara.
(( i am now restricted from some of my "family's" clubs because of this thing and my refusal to break my country's laws to visit them. I am forced now by LL to just contact them through IM's instead of hanging out like before. Thanks LL. Thanks. )) |
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| Pandemonia Corleone |
| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Guess the main reason here is not even US law.
Late spring 2007 the biggest TV network here in Germany had reports of virtual child pornography in Second Life. Seen it myself, they showed child avies having sex, saying that would feed pedophilia. That caused a lot indignation here in almost all media, since that day almost anybody in Germany knows what SL is.
And as answer Philip Rosedale even negotiated with local government, and after that LL announced a) to start an age verification system b) pay VAT (19%) for all German residents... so we have to add that 19% now for each transaction 
Read once that there is half of the numbers of players from the States from Germany, even with only some more than a forth of inhabitants, making them the second biggest national community by far, so the influence on LL is big.
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Funny thing this.
I always wondered how does a certain anomaly in desires (like pedofilia) work. If it is "the more you allow of it in fantasy, the more it will become reality", or if it is "allow them at least a bit in fantasy so they wont explode in real".
We are playing rape often in Midian. I wonder how many of us would dream about it, but when it would come to reality we would hate it. Or not. After all, all rapes in Midian are consented and therefore not really rapes. I wonder - and this is really something I have no clue about - how many people would try it in reality should they not have ventilation here?
But then again I am glad that SL is exception from silly modern opinion "naked is bad and evil" instead of "naked is natural".
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'd roleplay rape in reality with a consenting partner sure.
but it would be roleplaying a rape with a consenting partner.
I'd never for one rape anyone in reality at all.
I don't think second life is "therapy" or a playground to act out your worst desires. I think its just a silly game .
Roleplay is a silly game and its a fun game. the kick for me is my consenting roleplay partner enjoying it, and at the end its a little "tabboo"
its like when you are a teenager and you have to keep your voices down in case your parents come in and interupt you.
It's just taboo.
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| J8 Skall |
| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Call ym soft, but in real life the thought of actual rape makes me sick, like seeing it on the news, thinking about it happening to a friend or family...
I admit I get off on the fantasy, I have a screwed up sexuality, it isn't a choice, I have always been like this... I guess society didn't do a very good job repressing my less savoury and more bestial lusts.
I see SL as a place to release stuff, unlike Charles. For me its the OOC friends and acceptance you get there, you can put your whole self on display and people will still like you, and wont run scared, some are even interested. Course you still get the few, even in Midian, who think I'm a bad person, but they can go fuck themselves.
The OOC friends I have made on second life give me somethign I can't get in RL, people run a million miles when you tell them what you like, and I've tried.
On SL I have got myself alot of friends, but two very special ones (Kitten and Cat... Seemingly I like felines subconsciously) who are close RL friends too now, and thats what the openess of SL brings.
So yeah, roleplay is a fun game, a fantasy, and a place to unwind, but it has become alot more important for me. Maybe it's cause I'm younger than Charles and many into the same stuff as me, but I like having close OOC friends on the same wavelength.
It ain't therapy, I don't need therapy, but it's a place to bump into people that you have some strange stuff in common with. Really if all avenues for rape roleplay were shut off to me, I wouldnt go out and rape somone, likewise I can play a RL scene or SL scene without it making me want the real thing... Can't speak for some of the insane fuckers out there though.
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| Pandemonia Corleone |
| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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If Johnny Depp, or maybe Brad Pitt, would rape me... ummm there can be worse, oh and maybe Angelina Jolie might try too ^^
OK, then this isn't a real rape anymore, cause it's sorta consented.
Of course there is a beast in any of us, fantasizing about things beyond normal society standards. But fantasies becoming too real often turn into nightmares, so better leave them the way they are: kinky fantasies!
SL is a great place to live them out... in fantasy!
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| Pandemonia Corleone |
| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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And for the age check, my opinion is split. I'm a mom of a soon 2 year old. He's rather learning to speak, anyways of course how easy kids can see explicit things in the net and get to places like here worries me, cause you think what would happen when he is 14, 15...
Germany has another ruling then the states there. Our Supreme Court said credit cards are not enough for protecting minors, cause under some circumstances an CC can be issued to minors too. And they ordered an check of ID for all Germany based adult sites. German ID cards have the date of birth encoded.
By the way, storing that ID's after check is forbidden by German law too!
For LL, it is a hard thing to keep in balance. What is the place of business. The above example with Anshe, the biggest "enterprise" in SL shows that. Anshe is located in Frankfurt/Germany. If you buy a plot at her, you do business with her, and if you are German too, the place of business is no doubt Germany, wherever LL has its servers, by all international standards. If business partners are from anywhere else, so where is business done? That is really tough questions, most probably to decide from case to case. LL did just the thing that they tried to fulfil Germanys and (with VAT) all of the EU's standards so they keep out of target from public prosecutors and lawyers there.
The problem here is once more, Internet is global but countries weren't able to agree on common standards, so basically I blame them for it, the fucked ones are we though, and that sucks!
A good example here:
http://www.humanfactors.co.nz/index.cfm/2007/10/20/Internet-provider-Arcor-forced-to-block-YouPorn
Actually even the provider is made responsible if not blocking adult content for kids. Google tries to delete all adult content from German index too for they were close to be brought to court either.
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| Masha Eilde |
| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I don't mind the age verification - I'm nearly 40, I think I pass. What annoys me is that it doesn't work. I have a neighbor (where I own land) who put up the barrier that requires age verification. I went through the process, SL said I'd qualified, but it wouldn't let me in regardless.
If it doesn't work, what's the point?
As to rape in RL:
I'm certain everyone here knows that real rape is an obscene, violent and horrifyingly intrusive violation of another person. It has nothing to do with sex except that sex is the weapon. This goes regardless of gender of victim and criminal.
Like other things we RP in Midian, the virtual reality provides people with a pain free and emotionally distant way to roleplay some of the things like rape and extreme violence, things they wouldn't DREAM of perpetuating, or god forbid, experiencing in real life. Our RL bodies are precious, quite fragile, as are our psyches and our spirits, and we are only given the one package per lifetime.
::starts to launch into a "you kids who are smoking should stop" rant and stops herself:: 
Cheers!
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| Pushy Snaps |
| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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One thing people might be missing sight of, is that chances are LL has in their sights being bought out for gobs of money like so many other net ventures with large numbers of users (myspace anyone?).
In order to look good for a purchase, and command the largest price, you have to limit liabilities. Age verification, though easily gotten around, is something they can point to and say 'see, we have less liability since anyone getting around this has to do so with forethought and we did all we can'. Just like the 'click here if your not at least 13' on web pages. Like someone under 13 cant click it anyway. |
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