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| Artika |
 Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem wrote: |
Instead.....all official factions let people enter their factions at an entry level only and THEN, during a period of actual RP time, see if that person is right for the faction, if they are not, THEN you can reject them.
This would get rid of the initial fear of rejection for newbs, and would give more people a chance to get involved and have less of a risk of isolating good RPers, leaving them feeling the only thing they can do is create their own group, rather than try and fit inside an existing one.
In other words, no faction may turn down an appilcation unless it were based on species (cats = CW, pure vamps = Breed, women = Sarcina, etc). Open join system, but it would only be a trial membership to see if you are right for each other. I am not sure about this idea, but might be worth looking at for Midian. |
I think that this is in effect what the kittenwalkers are for the CW and the nightchildren are for the Breed. Perhaps these groups were formed at least in part because the breed would definitely want any vampire entering Midian to join their organization, at least IC. OOC, it gives the groups a chance to work with and see the players, eventually promoting them to the regular group if both sides are happy with the relationship. I think a similar group might be nice for other factions too, or perhaps a commitment to accept as many players as possible to the 'bottom rung' of the hierarchy, if the group is organized that way, and using this bottom rung as a trial period in the same way.
I'm sorry that Ayr had that experience... not being there it's so hard to really comment on what happened though. We also have to remember that establishing such a group or policy takes time and resources from the faction, especially the leaders, so it might be difficult to really force this on all factions. I imagine most are doing their best to welcome new players, at least I hope they are.
Anyway, if all else fails Ayr, get in touch with the Art gallery and we will have you over for lunch sometime  |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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You are right Artika, I just think all factions should start doing it, or we should revitalize the practice. When I came to Midian, there were entry level tags for any group newbs might want to join, we need to promote that better, continue and expand that I think. I also found plenty of...'you're a newbie and auto not good enough' type of attitude, which just needs to stop period in my opinion. This is a game made for everyone's fun and some turning it into the 'I'm so kewl and you're not' scene is ruining Midian. The people doing this were probably deemed not kewl IRL and pitifully try to play it out in Midian instead. The appearance of elitism is great IC, should be there, but OOC, it needs to be pulverized, we are losing good potential RPers over it.
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| J8 Skall |
| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Aegy, that idea, although not identical, is very similar to one I proposed to the Academy a few months ago, I will PM you it if you are interested in the details I worked out.
It wasn't taken up in favour of the theatre, but I do believe it had potential, and would have worked if refined. It basically centred around small, open enrollment feeder factions that could simultaneously teach roleplay and ground people in Midian, aswell as act as a recruiting ground. More importantly though, it would get people interested and intereacting quickly, and hopefully break up cliques by having 'mentors', effectively junior faction leaders for the feeder factions, taken from different groups in the city.
Its an old idea now, and would need to be refined and debated all over again, but could work.
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| Belial |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem wrote: |
| In other words, no faction may turn down an appilcation unless it were based on species (cats = CW, pure vamps = Breed, women = Sarcina, etc). Open join system, but it would only be a trial membership to see if you are right for each other. I am not sure about this idea, but might be worth looking at for Midian. |
While I understand your reasoning here, I'd have to say that this type of solution is a knee jerk type of reaction, IMO. Going the extreme opposite never fixes the issue in my experience.
Everyone knows the little cliques are a problem, but no one is self evaluating. Everyone thinks someone ELSE'S clique is the problem, from what I've gathered through talking with people. At the end of the day, each person should probably look at their own contribution to this issue, be it positive or negative.
Factions shouldn't lose the ability to run as an organized group, and chose their own because it's hard for new players to get in, that's part of the point. You never just show up, new to a place, and get acceptance. Hollywood as made billions out of this theme in "new kid at school" movies. The idea of a group to include new comers is a great one, and one that I suggested elsewhere. I hope it happens, and I will offer again to help writing the side stories to keep it going... |
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| Perp K. |
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| Ayr wrote: |
| Where does the pack and the c.w's differ? territory? species? |
Yes, species. The Catwalkers are strictly nekos, the pack takes in fox hybrids, inus etc. |
Completely different territory as well. Pack and CWs paths don't cross as often as one might think they would. |
You'd be surprised.... 
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| Golyth Carillon |
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I was going to say the same Perp hehe I've seen quite a few Pack and CW together... most in a more.. loving embrace *laughs*
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
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Rith would turn in her grave...if she was still dead. ;P
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| AlegriaDagostino |
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| BUT....just what if....to make it easier for newbies, all official factions, barring things like species, had an open join policy instead of a hmm....well, I am not sure you are good enough, turn your nose up policy. Instead.....all official factions let people enter their factions at an entry level only and THEN, during a period of actual RP time, see if that person is right for the faction, if they are not, THEN you can reject them. |
That is exactly how the MPD operates. You are hired as a cadet, which, in addition to being trained as an IC cop, you are watched for RP skills. The only time I turn someone down for the MPD Academy is if their MPD application is barely coherent. It happens.
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| Golyth Carillon |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem wrote: |
| Rith would turn in her grave...if she was still dead. ;P |
*laughs* Ain't that the truth... but anyways... the character Rith is dead.. ya'll just get to see the name floating around lol
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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heheh, yup
And that is awesome Alegria, it works well? I am going to make some sort of set up like that for KAOS too I think, try it out anyway.
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| Anna Newall |
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| And that is awesome Alegria, it works well? I am going to make some sort of set up like that for KAOS too I think, try it out anyway. |
It works decently. The MPD has a reputation for "letting anybody join," because as long as you're LITERATE enough to fill out the application coherently, we take the gamble that you are either a decent roleplayer or that you can be taught to be a decent roleplayer with little difficulty.
So, yeah... we let most literate applicants join, but not all of them make it out of the MPD Academy and get promoted to Officer. And not all Officers last long enough to make Corporal or higher. It quickly became clear to Alegria and I that if we were going to be so liberal about recruiting, we'd have to take personal responsibility for ensuring that our members displayed good IC and OOC behavior. We regularly work one-on-one with players who have RP problems, and we try to correct and train them.
If a player has problems that are very serious and cannot be taught to RP well with others, we get rid of them. If you have serious problems with an MPD or MPDA player who's still on the force, there are a few reasons why that player might not have been fired yet:
1. We have to find out about the problem before we can try to correct it.
2. We try to correct the problem one-on-one with the player before we fire him or her.
3. If talking with the player seems to work, we give the player another chance to prove that he or she can improve.
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| Artika |
| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| AlegriaDagostino wrote: |
[quote=Aegyptia Elvehjem]BUT....just what if....to make it easier for newbies, all official factions, barring things like species, had an open join policy instead of a hmm....well, I am not sure you are good enough, turn your nose up policy. Instead.....all official factions let people enter their factions at an entry level only and THEN, during a period of actual RP time, see if that person is right for the faction, if they are not, THEN you can reject them.
That is exactly how the MPD operates. You are hired as a cadet, which, in addition to being trained as an IC cop, you are watched for RP skills. The only time I turn someone down for the MPD Academy is if their MPD application is barely coherent. It happens. |
This is similar to the Nightbreed system now. If you bring a new vampire character into Midian and show up at the crypt, you will be told about rules for vampires in Midian, both IC and OOC, and then join the nightchildren group. After 'proving' your RP (and ability to follow the restrictions on vamps in Midian) you are brought into the regular faction.
We have several players who are designated to give advice and coaching about playing a vampire, and others who can give general RP mentoring if needed. My impression, and I hope others see this too, is that the Breed does a good job of playing a character type that has a lot of potential for abuse, even with this somewhat open join policy. But it does take a lot of work and sometimes some patience too. |
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