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| Ayr |
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: L.E.T - Now becoming active. |
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Les Enfants Terrible - The terrible children.
((the L.e.T is -not- based in midian but it was suggested by two of it's members that they have an active voice in midian, thus it is simply using Midian as one of the places it has extended it's reach to.))
From the group Charter. After this I'll explain why we are -not- your average junky group and why there is -not- a good-guy syndrome going about and finally why consent ect wont be as much of an issue - the same amount as it is for other groups.
"Our goal: Justice. Our means: any. We are the ones you come to when you want payback against an individual or individuals- not mere mercenarys who barbarically and foolishly do anything for money. We work towards the end that making sure everybody who is wronged gets their own back. We are vicious. We are Brothers and Sisters and we are relentless. Whatever needs done - we do it. We function both as individuals and as one. Angels. Foxes. Demons. Humans - any can be our kin.
We are the Scales of Justice"
What sets the LeT apart from other groups is the fact it is not a good/bad based group, it is a neutral group that simply acts. It is the knee-jerk reaction to society's problems; a group of people who simply want revenge or payback onto those people who have wronged them. If someone beats you up or takes your money - we go and get it back. If someone steals something from you, or rapes you - we go and pay them a visit and divvy out our own brand of justice.
What seperates us from the mpd or Mercenaries?
We ain't in it for money, we're in it because we believe what we're doing is right and we accept all kinds of moral characters - be you 'good' or 'bad' or neither. We accept nekos, dogs,humans, freaks, monsters, mutants - anyone may be our brother or sister.
And we don't give a shit realistically about the typical term of justice - the judges in the group (normal members) are those who decide the punishment for said crime after combat has ended - if the opponent resists.
It is a highly structured organization which is -not- just about combat. We have Librarians (researchers and what not) specialist units (sniper unit, hand to hand unit, heavy armour unit, animal-unit) and finally we
((Regarding consent - usually there is an issue of consent with us. However, we understand that the people of Midian enjoy a good roleplay and that is why we will specifically target the NPC group or other groups in Midian and ask them to participate in roleplay with us. Further to this if somebody is wronged in midian and comes to us we will approach the situation OOCLY and speak about what each group wants or would like to see done.
Say X attacks Y and Y comes to us. We will contact both X and Y and see if they're up for an rp and discuss limits they may have. Further to this, we will try to advocate RP between factions and across factions in midian.
If you want a chance to be a real arm of justice in Midian, either Pm me in world or leave a message here.
Dont be put off by problems of consent - they can be worked around. And it's no use saying: "oh god no, not another faction" - midians a breeding ground of all sorts of people of all sorts of groups and characters, its to be expected at least one of them is gonna get pissed off at some point and wanna go Justice mode.))
As a final note; we -are- different from the Desperados, as I have constantly stressed: good and evil mean shit to us. IF you're raped then you rape someone back and they attack you again we'll go with whoever comes to us for help first. It goes on a case-by-case basis; sometimes we help, sometimes we don't.
Thank you.
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| Debra Charron |
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| J8 Skall |
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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No - It's no use saying 'not another faction', because it never has any effect, none of the new factions are unique or helpful to the city, they don't add soemhtign different to the mix, they dilute.
I am not against new, unique ideas, indeed I back them to the hilt, but most of what I see, including this, are not new, imaginative or going to add to Midian.
And the consent issue isn't and 'issue', its a rule... You ask for consent - if you get it - go ahead. If you don't get consent, you back off. I'm not sure if thats what you were outlining, it wasn't clear, but thats how it's done, you speak to everyone, and one 'no' means your scuppered.
And, we dont allow foxes and demons and the like, so members expecting to roleplay in Midian need to know that.
As I said, I can't stop you, but we've had two new 'factions' announced today, and neither have been unique, imaginative or a worthwhile addition to the city - infact neither have been remotely interesting...
Says it all really, it's getting ridiculous, and I wish people would put effort into coming up with factions. _________________ Jay Skall
(All arguements [or discussion points] stated above are the player's opinion only, they are not truth from on high, the subversive whisperings of satan or the grunted rumblings of a troll... Incase you were struggling with the concept...) |
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| Ayr |
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| J8 Skall wrote: |
No - It's no use saying 'not another faction', because it never has any effect, none of the new factions are unique or helpful to the city, they don't add soemhtign different to the mix, they dilute.
I am not against new, unique ideas, indeed I back them to the hilt, but most of what I see, including this, are not new, imaginative or going to add to Midian.
And the consent issue isn't and 'issue', its a rule... You ask for consent - if you get it - go ahead. If you don't get consent, you back off. I'm not sure if thats what you were outlining, it wasn't clear, but thats how it's done, you speak to everyone, and one 'no' means your scuppered.
And, we dont allow foxes and demons and the like, so members expecting to roleplay in Midian need to know that.
As I said, I can't stop you, but we've had two new 'factions' announced today, and neither have been unique, imaginative or a worthwhile addition to the city - infact neither have been remotely interesting...
Says it all really, it's getting ridiculous, and I wish people would put effort into coming up with factions. |
From what I can tell you've been against practically every faction introduced or brought into Midian regardless of it's leader. So it's no surprise to see you once again complaining - or rather - in the process of down playing another faction.
On the one hand you want people to put effort into coming up with factions where-as you never offer input on how they could be original - which really pisses me off. All i've ever seen you do is sit there and say: this sucks, that sucks - get lost (Paraphrasing) whilst never at the same time saying: Alright, instead of just coming to midian with X or Y idea why don't you try altering or integrating such an such. It makes me wonder if perhaps you can't think of any 'original' ideas yourself thus you shoot down others.
I personally like the fact that factions in Midian over-lap each other. In all reality whats the difference between most of them? Where does the pack and the c.w's differ? territory? species? And what of the Yakuza or the hounds? almost all of them over-lap and have similarities in one way or another and it's nigh on impossible within the midian time-line and historical background to suddenly whip out something wihch would take root in a city that would fit it's theme. Obviously in a city of corruption, lies, rape and murder there -will- be factions like the Sarcina (which is apparently in decline) the desperados and now the L.e.T - what makes them original is how they approach the issues they come over, not on their root origins.
How exactly, then, just to open the field for input would you advise 'adding' to midian? Another group dedicated to a certain species? another militant terorrist group? Most of them are put off by the issue - which it is - of consent. I say 'issue' because in some cases it is a bother - although perfectly defensible and understandable.
As a final note for Foxes and Demons - Shiroyu Takakura is a Fox hybrid in midian. I saw nothing in the rules against him, nor has he been pulled up for it. Nor have I. I admit obviously there is another issue there of some members being unable to play in midian - which we will resolve internally.
But to constantly shoot down every new idea for a faction is pointless. You should stand back and try to get to know each group first and see how it interacts as opposed to blowing it up because it is of a certain ilk.
Further to this, all factions - new or not - add something to the city. They allow for more opportunity for groups to play amongst each other and more choice in how each character wants to develop. Choice.
And once again I point to the fact that the LeT is -not- based in midian, it's merely opening it's doors to members there who may be interested at some point.
I think factions like the Mercs, LeT or whatever - neutral factions or not - offer something different. Most of the time it's nothing but clique-ness and talk amongst certain groups. Nothing but whining about territory. The Mercs, the mpd and other such groups act as Bridges between factions allowing interplay amongst normally isolationist groups. And -that- is why they're important. |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| J8 Skall wrote: |
No - It's no use saying 'not another faction', because it never has any effect, none of the new factions are unique or helpful to the city, they don't add soemhtign different to the mix, they dilute.
I am not against new, unique ideas, indeed I back them to the hilt, but most of what I see, including this, are not new, imaginative or going to add to Midian.
And the consent issue isn't and 'issue', its a rule... You ask for consent - if you get it - go ahead. If you don't get consent, you back off. I'm not sure if thats what you were outlining, it wasn't clear, but thats how it's done, you speak to everyone, and one 'no' means your scuppered.
And, we dont allow foxes and demons and the like, so members expecting to roleplay in Midian need to know that.
As I said, I can't stop you, but we've had two new 'factions' announced today, and neither have been unique, imaginative or a worthwhile addition to the city - infact neither have been remotely interesting...
Says it all really, it's getting ridiculous, and I wish people would put effort into coming up with factions. |
I have an idea, since no one respects the faction system anymore and everyone just wants to make their own one or two man groups, maybe we should just scrap the faction system altogether. I agree with Jay, this is starting to just become a bad joke.
You, as an individual, could easily fit into the MPD, the Mercs, the Sarcina or even the Hounds doing the exact same thing as could Deb and Deets fit into the Sarcina or Mercs. If they have a problem with Sarcina leadership, there is established a way to challenge it, making a copy cat group is not needed.
This thing where everyone has their own one or two man faction is a detriment to Midian role play, not an asset, at least that is my opinion.
Good luck with this though if you insist on going through with it, from what I have heard, you are a good role player and maybe you will find a way to make it work.)) _________________ (Pera Sutekh, twin sis of Chigaru) BIO!>Pera
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| J8 Skall |
Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Okay Ayr, as your new here, I will let you off with alot of that ignorance, I won't blame you for it, but will answer it.
Firstly the Mercs you complimented, when your next in world, maybe you'd do me the favour of checking with some people and find out who it was the started the Merc's in their current guise, taking them from zero active members into a strong faction with a purpose, new improved base and strong OOC roleplayign skills... Give you three guesses whose name comes up.
Your time on this board hasnt been long, and that was your fourth post, I gather then that your idea that I object to everything isn't coming from having read even a fraction of my 700+ posts on here, but rather having noticed a trend today.
I have been offered faction leader position in two Midian official factions, one I turned down due to connection problems, and one I accepted and ran for a good while before deciding to pass them on, due to the same connection problems.
I was involved in the brainstorming the Dollshouse Idea kicked off on the forums by Charles, I have set up two merc groups and still help OOC in it's running, and I have written up a plan for the Shadow Stalkers, which I suspect Serp will not use, but it you want to see it, then your welcome. I have also given ideas on many other gangs, and a couple of 'rival' faction leaders have discussed their own factions and problems with me and I've given views.
My ideas on what could be added to the city, I will keep quiet. Jade has asked me to relay to her thoughts on that when I get my connection back permanently, and I would prefer to speak quietly to her rather than announce things on the forum.
So your wrong about me, and wrong about your view of Midian, I would suggest you do some research before you try and create a faction and make high handed judgements on long term players giving their opinions in a public forum.
Laters _________________ Jay Skall
(All arguements [or discussion points] stated above are the player's opinion only, they are not truth from on high, the subversive whisperings of satan or the grunted rumblings of a troll... Incase you were struggling with the concept...) |
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| Shilandar Deledda |
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: |
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[No offense Ayr, because I know you and know you're a decent roleplayer.
Aegy and Jay said it all. No. You could do everything this faction wants to do from within another faction. We do NOT need another faction, Official, OR Unofficial, to fill a tiny little niche because it isn't etched out in stone as a 'faction' already. The Hounds will rape someone for you, the Sarcina will, hell KAOS will. The only thing you need to do is find out what they would need as justification or price. Its' a pointless faction not because of what they would do, but because what they're doing is already capable within the scope of several other factions. Just. No.] _________________ "In this world everyone is either played, or playing with someone else. Be it their body, mind, heart, or soul. Live your life the way that makes you happy, because you never know when it will be snuffed out."
- Chi Sutekh, twin brother of Pera Sutekh |
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| Charles Noble |
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: Re: L.E.T - Now becoming active. |
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| Ayr wrote: |
I'll explain why we are -not- your average junky group and why there is -not- a good-guy syndrome going about
Our goal: Justice.
What sets the LeT apart from other groups is the fact it is not a good/bad based group, it is a neutral group that simply acts.
We ain't in it for money, we're in it because we believe what we're doing is right IF you're raped then you rape someone back and they attack you again we'll go with whoever comes to us for help first. It goes on a case-by-case basis; sometimes we help, sometimes we don't.
Thank you. |
So let me get this right... this is a group for those with morality issues
Bad guys are fair game because oh no you'd feel guilty about attacking an innocent.
This is what it translates as...
good luck finding victims seeing as generally bad guys are the abusers , not the victims and that's not going to change to help someone become the moral majority trying to punish ill's and stopping people doing what they do best.
At the end of the day any group that targets abusers is never going to succeed because abusers generally aint gonna become submissive to you.
As there are submissive victims who want to be controlled, abused etc, the victim/abuser rp is in no danger... I know not everyone is familiar with the dynamic or even believe it exists, but ya, it does, trust me the victims WANT the rp at the hands of a Strong Abuser..
However with abuser/abuser you have a totally different dynamic. I know some people brain fart over this and don't get and shit their brains cuz they simply can't believe they NEED to cut a pretty fantastic deal with the person they want to be their victim.... or your whole gang objective will be strictly restricted to NPC's...small fry if you like.
Now I sincerely wish you luck, but I doubt for one Jade will endorse a gang as an official faction when it encourages rp ALL over Second Life...
It's not to say that she will prevent people roleplaying elsewhere, but she's as unlikely to endorse a faction to official status who's members pretty much will be requesting midianites to play elsewhere. You have as much chance of that happening as Jade has of opening a travel agents and international airport smack bang in midian..... not to harp on the point midian sposed to be unescapable...etc. |
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| Liliane |
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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wait.... Aren't you in my faction...? _________________ "I'll be seeing you down a dark alley..."
Sakito Manamiko & Leen Lemaire
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| Golyth Carillon |
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: |
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((It's nothing personal at all towards you Ayr or anyone else that has created a new faction in the past 3 months... But god damn... how many people are going to make a new faction.. use it for a while till they figure out it's to difficult to run one... ?
I agree with Jay and Aegy in some fashion, I'm a dillhole who doesn't agree with anyone *laughs*, but isn't it just a bit odd that like 4+ new faction have sprung up in the past 3 months and yet you never seem them?
Also... If you're faction is going to be semi based in Midian... why bother even annoucing it on the forums if you aren't going to be in the city full time?
Oh and one last thing...regarding the consent issue you posted up... A long time ago that might have worked out the way you think it will but now... You better come in with a filled notecard about wanting to do what you want to at said "person" because it's all about consent now.. You don't have it... you won't be RP'ing with anyone..
Just my 2cp...)) _________________ "I do not need nor want your approval on how I should play my character. You don't have to RP with me and I don't have to RP with you. You didn't ask me permission to assume the seat of leader nor dictate how I should play my character." |
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| CezWriter |
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| Ayr wrote: |
| Where does the pack and the c.w's differ? territory? species? |
Yes, species. The Catwalkers are strictly nekos, the pack takes in fox hybrids, inus etc. _________________ IC Blog: http://cezdiary.blogspot.com/ |
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| October Hush |
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Ayr wrote: |
| Where does the pack and the c.w's differ? territory? species? |
Yes, species. The Catwalkers are strictly nekos, the pack takes in fox hybrids, inus etc. |
Completely different territory as well. Pack and CWs paths don't cross as often as one might think they would. _________________ *mew*
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| Chandra Meehan |
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((First question that comes to my mind... has the group at all been spoken about with Jade yet before it was posted in the forum? I think this would be the first and most important thing to do.
I assume we talk about a RP group here and the word 'faction' should not be used.
And though I had a good impression of our talks about other things Ayr, I'll have to join the list of Jay, Aegy, Chi and Charles - but of all the things listed in their statements there is one thing I see the most problem with. and this is not only refering to your group now but to all future groups as well:
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This is Midian. And Midian RP community. A group that is not based in Midian simply should never be an official faction, neither should really be any other out-of-sim-based-connections. We had it in the past, and it only creates issues.... Now whereas I see that you can have a -for you valid- scenerio like A asks B to get an exotic gun for him. B nods and does the RP to buy it out of sim and all IC. Then he comes back to Midian and brings A the gun. - ok, nice, and all IC... but for me who is sitting in Midian this equals 'B invented bringing the gun in' cause there was no RP in Midian or involvement of the Midian routes of trade. And there are so many endless threads in the forum adressing exactly this problem that we try to get rid of and not fuel it even.
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Same with 'knowledge' - We had groups in the past that were based out of sim, and it created problems, because people start claiming things as 'valid' that has happened god-knows-where. You saw a vampire and lycan walking around there? nice. But just not valid, in Midian you just DON'T know about them, I don't care what happens in other sims.
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Same problem RP standards. The way I see it, Midian is trying to stay high in the quality of RP. Now in that matter I am only speaking about our experiences with the vampires and all the RP around them cause well, that is what I do and take care of in Midian. Means if somebody comes and tells me 'I am an experienced RPer from XY-sim' (XY exists, but no need to bash on other sims here) then I know already for nearly 90% they don't know anything about RP, and less about vampire RP, all they did was shooting in combat system and fucking in 2 liner RP.
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And sorry, for me it is plain as that: if people can't accept that Midian is isolated and that the Midian rules stand above all, then I can't accept them and the RP either. Daily trips to 'mainland' just don't work at all, when it is a perfect excuse for long term absence from Midian RP.
Anyway, all the above mentioned points (mine as well as those adressed by the others) have been discussed in many many other threads already, and all we do now is discuss them again. ((i'll provide link to other threads here just have to look them up.))
So to come back to the constructional help: Go talk to Jade, there is no purpose in fighting over something in the forum here that she maye does not even know about yet.
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Related links that discussed a few of the problems I adressed here:
((cross-sim-RP)) http://midiancity.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=886
((new factions)) http://midiancity.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=908
((discussion about desperados)) http://midiancity.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=715
((the exotic weapons)) http://midiancity.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=742
----Not mentioned before but also important:
((the time in which midian plays)) http://midiancity.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=730 _________________
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| Ayr |
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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*Deep Breath* Last post and thats all I'll say on it in an attempt to salvage my - most likely - completely destroyed reputation.
With regards to the IC nature of this: It's a city street and it's flyers. No one's trying to force anything down peoples throat. It's merely an advert of sorts.
OOC however:
I should of stressed this before because it would of been appropriate to mention, the groups goal isn't justice per-se. Thats just the 'cover' to get the story going and encourage members. There is something else which they want to achieve other than that - which I wasn't/don't want to post purely because I feel it'd ruin it. I like the idea of a faction claiming to be one thing whilst doing something completely different altogether.
I am not trying to become official, nor am i trying to butt my face in and say: look at me, i canz be a factionz leedar. I wanted this faction to be rooted in a serious Cross-related rp if possible which mixed characters who are good/bad/neutral/confused. In this sense I want corruption within the group. I want some members go out and abuse individuals because they don't like the look of them, or find them annoying or whatever - I want it to be a group composed of individuals who are of all flavours, not just the super-hero-types.
The faction itself is not some high and mighty group; I wanted it to be full of individuals who do what they think is right - Be they a psychopath, a lunatic or a wanna-be hero within the midian time-frame which includes the fact that Midian is isolated. I wasn't going to pull in outsiders from midian all the time and say: I need backup, nao! Because obviously that too doesn't take into consideration the fact that midian is isolated and broken off.
The fact that there is so much experience posted in front of me shouldn't deter me from my intentions - although I admit it is slightly unnerving and makes me question my future rp position within Midian. I didn't "come up with this faction" off the top of my head, or out of boredom. I came up with it because I thought it was a good idea at the time outside of Midian in another roleplay which I'm a part of. With regards to external rp problems and mixing and mingling...the faction itself and it's members would -still- be superseded by the rules of the sim. I would -never- advocate sending in lycans or whatever into midian because it is against the rules and we would roleplay particular reasons for this within said group.
As for me joining other factions; the idea seems out the window. Twice I've applied for the mercenaries, once for the pack and once for the Mpd. In the face of rejection (from mercenaries no less for gods sake) it seems obvious that another group would arise.
To re-state it: Midian city rules and other sim rules are above the faction rules in terms of beings or things allowed/disallowed.
I understand fully that theres so much anger/frustration against the idea of a new faction forming which is why I merely suggested it in the means of a flyer and didn't go way out there and demand recognition - although I did ask Jade ages ago how one goes about developing a faction.
From my perspective, as a final concluder, I felt that other factions were sometimes too specific or too difficult to get into. C.Ws only take on kittens/cats from what I can tell and the pack covers all other types of animals. I just wanted this faction to be one which could offer new people a faction to join off-hand without requiring you be a psychopath, or a goody-two shoes or something else all the time: a faction which was in itself confused about the meaning of 'justice' and thus had members from all ilks who wanted to abuse and be abused because of their own past. I wanted it to be a faction with an underlying goal which is above and beyond justice although it claims it's goal is just that.
And with that, I salute as my idea and reputation go down in flames. |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ayr, as far as I am concerned you have a good rep and I have experienced nothing but good interaction with you, as I have heard others have done the same. Nothing has changed that, stop being so paranoid and we DO NOT want to lose you as an RPer, please do not let us disagreeing with you and discussing this deter you from further becoming a part of Midian, we want you to stay. Nor does anyone want Deb or Deets to leave, we are all a part of the disfunctional Midian family.
NOW....in this last post you may have struck on something that maybe will help to fix Midian a little. The barrier to getting into factions. We can not change things like only cats can be in the CW, only pure vamps in the Breed, that stuff can not change.
BUT....just what if....to make it easier for newbies, all official factions, barring things like species, had an open join policy instead of a hmm....well, I am not sure you are good enough, turn your nose up policy. Instead.....all official factions let people enter their factions at an entry level only and THEN, during a period of actual RP time, see if that person is right for the faction, if they are not, THEN you can reject them.
This would get rid of the initial fear of rejection for newbs, and would give more people a chance to get involved and have less of a risk of isolating good RPers, leaving them feeling the only thing they can do is create their own group, rather than try and fit inside an existing one.
In other words, no faction may turn down an appilcation unless it were based on species (cats = CW, pure vamps = Breed, women = Sarcina, etc). Open join system, but it would only be a trial membership to see if you are right for each other. I am not sure about this idea, but might be worth looking at for Midian. _________________ (Pera Sutekh, twin sis of Chigaru) BIO!>Pera
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