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| Quentin Morrisey |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem wrote: |
| I admit I never knew they were a faction, I have never once in almost a year of RPing seen it staffed. I thought it was like public domain and therefore protected from all attacks same as a HQ, learn more every day. |
There's a group for it. The reason why you don't always see staff there is.. if we sat around the MCMC all the time... it would get really boring except for those brief times when something goes down. So the IC docs do go out and do other RP. Typically speaking.. if there's a Medical emergency.. and it's announced.. I'll go to it for the most part.. unless I'm captured or something to that effect. or in combat or the like. |
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| well MCMC is a faction HQ, thats not debateable, always has been a faction HQ... but yeah don't think its gonna affect a few of them, and well you know people are gonna find fixers through neccessity now and probablly never bother with the MCMC. |
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Cam will send out a midian city notice reminding people of faction hq rules and the MCMC in particular.
She will also reopen the center. |
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| Rin Tae |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I know that is about the MCMC, but I just wanted to say, that the clinic is closed due to it beeing redecorated and since it is (at least the public part) ready so far .. it will be open again as soon as possible. |
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| Quidos |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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We had a long discussion about this in private, because obviously dropping a tear gas canister in the MC is the same thing as blowing it up.
The MCMC is not a Faction. They instead said EVERY building in Midian is treated like a Faction HQ. Meaning you have to ask permission before you can do anything violent in ANY building in Midian.
So no, the MC is not a faction, the TZ is not a faction, Zoe's Cafe is not a faction, the Pool Hall is not a faction. Factions are factions. Buildings are simply considered faction HQs, the difference is important.
Now obviously the rules weren't originally like this. The rule is named "Faction HQs" meaning they were intended originally for FACTION HQs. But I suppose some people complained about the big bad tough people in Midian and had the rule stretched over public buildings.
I find it funny that I can't throw gas into a building yet other people can drive ambulances through the same building JUST to hit me with it.
If someone wants to destroy an actual building, you need to ask permission. But if you want to simply act violent in it and people still complain, you can be assured they do not belong in a place like Midian.
So we need to set a guideline here. First of all, Faction HQs are Faction HQs. If you set the rule, assuming nobody is destroying the building, that you can't be violent in the MC, then you can't be violent in any building, period.
And you tell me which of these sounds better.
"Oh no, Quidos dropped a can of tear gas in the MC, let's void his RP because we can't handle it."
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"Oh no, Quidos dropped a can of tear gas in the MC, let's RP it out, because we are in a RPing sim." |
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I would back Quidos here, yet I cannot go against rules. Unless it is rephrased, or remade, I cannot do a thing.
Of course the faction HQ rule is RP limiting, quite often abused too. But I understand the pluses as well.
I am not faction leader, but I am pretty sure if someone atacked the bunker, they would be allowed any action that is not restricted by physics. So yeah, throw a nade on our guard post and it wont bounce off of the "invisible faction HQ wall", we will deal with it. In fact, being target of the city no.1 we were dealing with it all the time, people sniping us in our own faction HQ grounds, tosing nades or even atacking us hand to hand.
Now there is MCMC situation. You are doctors, you have unbelievable power, in fact without you people should start dying. And people should realise it. If anyone throws a nade into MCMC, people of the city should unite and kick ass of the violator, simply because they attempted to kill doctor who already saved their life, or will save their life most likely. As well, I would expect doctors to not offer propper treatment to those who were atacking them. "Whoops, I have left a bag of razors in you by accident, sorry, that gonna make think twice for next nade. Bye bye."
Atack on MCMC looks like good RP oportunity to me. And if there is OOC strike, I only treated it IC so far and wont change that. So yeah, we are currently doctoring people at the bunker, if they dare to enter, or have the choice at all.
And the confusion about MCMC being faction HQ is that it is pretty much public place, ot treated as one. People are going there and carying wounded there without asking consent of faction, thats pretty much unthinkable in any other faction HQ... Or well, I have noticed that faction HQs have public areas - generaly accesible by anyone without picking a lock, these should be free combat areas in my opinion and those locked away count as the real save faction HQ requiring all kinds of consent and OOC communication as stated by rules.
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Quidos wrote: |
"Oh no, Quidos dropped a can of tear gas in the MC, let's void his RP because we can't handle it."
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"Oh no, Quidos dropped a can of tear gas in the MC, let's RP it out, because we are in a RPing sim." |
CONSENT.
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| Nenraa Huffhines |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| For as long a I have been in Midian, which is over a year, the MCMC has always been a no shooting area. Alwats had to get permission to damage the building or do acts of vioence. So yea there is that whole consent thing. |
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| Rin Tae |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Even when the MCMC is public, the ones running it, should always know if there is something more happening then a knife fight or something that would result in destruction of rooms and equipment so that they can deal with it ... the problems start, when people do it without letting them know and start treating the place like any street and then expect that it works just the same when they come back injured on the next day.
This is something I would also expect to be considered with the clinic as it has a public part (and a non public part since the top floor is now Chimera ground) and IC action in it will have to be met with IC consecuances .. up to having to order new equipment to replace the broken one. But what I never want to get is an IM teling me (and I guess Nik thinks the same) .. sorry ... we just bombed your place deal with it...
Clear it before and we all can have some fun with it.
Consent rules .. and sharing the fun too. |
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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A valid point made Rin, of course.
Maybe three stages would be best. Free combat in streets, limited combat in public areas of HQs and Consented combat only in locked HQ areas.
I deem it little sad if people cannot smash their faces in certain areas, while I understand that getting notecards "this destroyed and that destroyed while you are away" are totaly unacceptable.
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| Debra Charron |
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| Quidos wrote: |
We had a long discussion about this in private......
So no, the MC is not a faction, the TZ is not a faction. |
I'm curious to know who "we" is.
When the Sarcina assumed landlord duties at the TZ, I was informed that the agreement with Jade was that we would treat the TZ still as an independant FACTION.
Previous to that, I can recall an incident with one rather loosey-goosey free-former that was nixed at a high level precisely because he opened up on someone inside the TZ w/o consent and because he broke the rules on attacks within faction HQ's. That was like 6 mos befre the Sarcina moved in there when the TZ Faction was solo in that building.
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| Angel Slocombe |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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I think he was trying to make the point that the building itself is not a faction ... although it may operate as a faction HQ... why that makes a difference I don't know but I THINK that's what he was saying.
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| Debra Charron |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Mordag McCallen wrote: |
I would back Quidos here, yet I cannot go against rules. Unless it is rephrased, or remade, I cannot do a thing.
Of course the faction HQ rule is RP limiting, quite often abused too. But I understand the pluses as well.
I am not faction leader, but I am pretty sure if someone atacked the bunker, they would be allowed any action that is not restricted by physics. So yeah, throw a nade on our guard post and it wont bounce off of the "invisible faction HQ wall", we will deal with it. In fact, being target of the city no.1 we were dealing with it all the time, people sniping us in our own faction HQ grounds, tosing nades or even atacking us hand to hand.
Now there is MCMC situation. You are doctors, you have unbelievable power, in fact without you people should start dying. And people should realise it. If anyone throws a nade into MCMC, people of the city should unite and kick ass of the violator, simply because they attempted to kill doctor who already saved their life, or will save their life most likely. As well, I would expect doctors to not offer propper treatment to those who were atacking them. "Whoops, I have left a bag of razors in you by accident, sorry, that gonna make think twice for next nade. Bye bye."
Atack on MCMC looks like good RP oportunity to me. And if there is OOC strike, I only treated it IC so far and wont change that. So yeah, we are currently doctoring people at the bunker, if they dare to enter, or have the choice at all.
And the confusion about MCMC being faction HQ is that it is pretty much public place, ot treated as one. People are going there and carying wounded there without asking consent of faction, thats pretty much unthinkable in any other faction HQ... Or well, I have noticed that faction HQs have public areas - generaly accesible by anyone without picking a lock, these should be free combat areas in my opinion and those locked away count as the real save faction HQ requiring all kinds of consent and OOC communication as stated by rules. |
Mordag, the next time I assult the bunker - I'll still ask for consent first.
The Consent rule is not RP-limiting if you HAVE consent. In fact, it works better.......nobody starts barking about hurt feelings over interperetations of the consent-rules and we can focus on the RP.
I'm happy to "roll with" whatever RP happens so long as the courtesy of consent is followed. Its a courtesy designed to keep us all from wasting time after the fact emoting in threads like this one over avoidable misunderstandings.
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| Debra Charron |
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| Angel Slocombe wrote: |
| I think he was trying to make the point that the building itself is not a faction ... although it may operate as a faction HQ... why that makes a difference I don't know but I THINK that's what he was saying. |
To use a US Southernism..we call that "Splitting Hairs". If a recognised and chartered Faction is HQ'd there and Jade acknowledges that fact...its a Faction HQ in my book.
If it walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck and leaves Duck Poop on the carpet...its probably a Duck (unless of course Tres generically modified it into a biologically weaponised Duck....but then he's pretty darn clever about that stuff  )
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yes, Debra.
Well, sometimes it is really nice if people ask front before tossing nade on bunker.
We have it easy in the bunker. If anyone is inside of it, it is 99,9% chance it is UAC member. And if none there, there is no way anyone would need to atack that bunker.
MCMC is in troubled situation that quite often in public areas there is anyone but MCMC stuff.
There I say, consent never hurts, as long as you can find someone to ask about it.
Then again, rules are made by gods and we roll with them. ;-)
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