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| Wren |
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: Midian Basics for New Arrivals |
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I just thought I would share some of the things I learned about interaction and etiquette while RPing in Midian. I thought I would put it into a format of a type of NC that I think would really be helpful to new arrivals.
Hierarchy
Take the time to read about the Factions within Midian. They really do exist. Do not assume that an empty Pool Hall means there are no Hounds in Midian. It is possible that you are on at a time when many are offline, or they are out making mischief somewhere else in the city. There is always someone to play with in Midian, whether your a victim or predator. Enjoy yourself, and keep your ears open. There is a storyline running through Midian that included power struggles among the Factions, forbidden romances, fueds. Each is long standing and part of Midian's culture and politics.
Just as you wouldn't get into the politics and culture of an area you moved to in RL right away, don't expect to know and understand the culture and politics of Midian right away. As you play, you will begin to discover the leaders of the Factions and the deeper RP that they and those close to them participate in. Do not expect to just jump in. The players in these roles are not being snobs, they are respecting the integrity of the Midian sim as a whole. NO leader, especially one of a nerfarious and secretive organization, would trust someone coming in off the street with a position of trust and power. It must be earned.
If you have no desire to play in the darker and deeper waters of Midian, that is fine. The average joes and their average troubles greatly enrich the sim as a whole as long as we remember a few basics.
The difference between OOC and IC.
IC= The "in character" actions and reactions of your avatar within the storyline of the sim. Remember, just like in RL, you can never assume how someone is going to react to your words and actions. Be sure to phrase your IC posts in a way that allows those around you to react as their character would, not as you assume they will. Make no assumptions, and enjoy the challenge.
OOC= Anything "out of character" from a clarification of a mistyped word or phrase, letting new arrivals to a scene know the basics of what is happening so they can determine whether to join in, watch, or get out of the line of fire, OR, to tease the other players, NOT their characters. This type of posting, especially if a scene is in progress, should be kept to a minimum. Use a OOC (shoot I can't remember what the bloody tool is called) or ((parantheses)) to set all OOC comments apart.
Different Styles of Posting
You will meet all sorts of interesting individuals in Midian, each with their own style of dress, personality, and speech. This is conveyed by how the player outfits their avatar, the descriptive "tags" they use, but most importantly in HOW they post.
Some players like to keep things short and sweet; others to be more descriptive, and frankly some are just slow typers. Be patient and observant. If someone you approach IC doesn't respond right away, wait. They might be a long poster, or just a slower typer. If someone approaches you IC and makes a short post, reply, at least at first, with a short post of your own. If your style is a long post, but everyone in a scene is posting short, try to keep the wordiness of your posting down. AND, even if everyone in a scene is posting long, unless you are a main character in THAT scene, keep your posts to a minimum.
GodModding
Godmodding is an absolute no-no. There are three basic forms of GMing, and all will ultimately lead to you and your character being ignored.
1. The most obvious is creating a character that, first, does not respect the character guidelines of the Midian City sim and/or is indestructible or brings out weapons that could not have been concealed, i.e. a bazooka pulled out of thin air by a character that was only wearing hotpants and a bikini top. You WILL be ignored for such behaviour, and undoubtedly recieve some colorfully deflamatory OOC posts, and quite possibly be banned from the sim.
2. The second is more subtle, though equally offensive. Do NOT post how the other characters react to your characters feelings or actions. You cannot specify where a person gets shot, only where you intend to hit. You cannot say they are terrified of you as much as you may want them to be. And you CANNOT declare someone dead! The fun of RP is in the challenge of reacting with your character to the actions of others, not in dictating what they will think or feel about your character.
3. This one is rarely discussed, but VERY important. Do not GM OOC. It is not your right to tell people what to do. To be clear, OOC posting a warning to a player who happens to wander into a scene where a fight is taking place or there is a locked door is fine and very helpful. But to tell a person how they should be playing their character, or telling them not to play in a certain area because you don't want to have to RP a rescue or a medical emergency is impolite at best. ((this one may best be left out...i know what im talking about but i can see this being misunderstood that any OOC guidance such as posting orders be ignored...so most likely i wouldn't include this in a NC to a newbie...however...i have been OOC GMed by higher level players and if anyone would like me to try to clarify what i mean by this...just let me know))
Conclusion
The characters of Midian all have an element of darkness about them, whether it is something they embrace or fight against, it is why players come here. The motto of the average Midian character is "every man for himself", however, for the players behind the characters, they are decent folk who want the Golden Rule honored, not IC, but in all things OOC.
Be excellent to eachother, even if your characters are stabbing eachother in the back. _________________ Fortune and Misfortune are one to the strong. |
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| J8 Skall |
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Good little post, but there are so many more ways to godmode, unrealistic abilites and refusing to recognise any attack the other makes as being valid are the big ones, as is not emoting an entrace to a scene/drawign weapons or any warning before an attack. _________________ Jay Skall
(All arguements [or discussion points] stated above are the player's opinion only, they are not truth from on high, the subversive whisperings of satan or the grunted rumblings of a troll... Incase you were struggling with the concept...) |
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| Artika |
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Great post Wren. I'm sure there are lots of details that could be added, but it would be nice to have something very brief and informative to get people started. |
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| Chandra Meehan |
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Midian Basics for New Arrivals |
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I love the post! very nice written, and very short to the basics. Just one thing:
| Wren wrote: |
| Godmodding is an absolute no-no. There are three basic forms of GMing, and all will ultimately lead to you and your character being ignored. |
You should not get used to equal GM with GodModding. And neither should anybody else, so maybe you can change that in your post to something else.... commonly a GM is the GameMaster, or Storyteller. So basically the one who creates and pushes the storylines in the sim (and yes they also use OOC infos for the creation of stories but still no reason to equal godmoding to it. *chuckles*). So to avoid confusion and misunderstandings in the future, better clear that right away.
But besides that, very well done! Would you please drop me the text on a notecard in SL, Chandra Meehan same as name here, so I got your inworld name and we can talk a bit about a potential use of it. I'll see if we might use it for the city guide update. Will talk to Cam about it. Or maybe the Academy has use for it... Thanks already! _________________ You can't kill the Dream by killing the Dreamer |
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| Denise Domela |
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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great post wren! have to agree on alot of the points you made and you said it best at the end:
"Be excellent to eachother, even if your characters are stabbing eachother in the back."
for me personally its the respect you give ic and ooc to make rp more enjoyable for everyone. _________________ Denise Domela
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| jacque_galthie |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Just wanted to say this was very helpful. As someone new to Midian I am trying to avoid making any major faux pas. |
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| Jade Steele |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Wow this is very nice Wren! Thank you for taking the time to do this. I somehow missed the post before, but saw it today. I wonder if it would be helpful if we made this thread a "sticky" in the forums? |
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| nekodui |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent work. Got this one bookmarked. I'd like to carry on a little about what you mentioned about the empty pool hall.
There's a couple of player owned businesses in Midian, like the sushi bar. There's no way I can staff the sushi bar 24/7, nor do I want to close it up when there are no cooks. You can pretty much assume that there's NPC cooks, or clerks, or what have you at any of these businesses. I mean, who leaves the doors open without having someone there?
Just try and use a little common sense. The sushi bar NPC chef isn't going to stand aside and let you trash the place without calling the cops.
Also, if you're looking for a way to break in and learn the ropes, get a job! Many of the places will hire your character to work there. Don't expect to get payed in Lindens, but anyone who's worked at the sushi stand can attest it's a great way to pick up quick RP that can often turn into something awesome.
Enjoy and welcome to midian  |
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| Chandra Meehan |
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| Jade Steele wrote: |
| Wow this is very nice Wren! Thank you for taking the time to do this. I somehow missed the post before, but saw it today. I wonder if it would be helpful if we made this thread a "sticky" in the forums? |
Done, Boss. *winks* _________________ You can't kill the Dream by killing the Dreamer |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Great post Wren and helpful adds by others as well. I had to write this up to help mentor one of my new KAOS recruits, so I thought I may as well add the things I needed to address with this new person here as well for more tips to help newbies, the original to him was of course more personal, this is just a frameout.
Special Powers- I will tell you the truth here, vampire/lycan powers, mech enhancements, etc. are legal in Midian, but no one likes them used, especially openly. Midian should be as realistic as possible, so make it easy on yourself being new, just RP whatever you are, be it vampire, mech, lycan.....whatever, in public places RP as having powers on a human level only. Promise you, people that go round using their powers in public, they are not well recieved and are often deemed as god moders. After you have been here longer and see how things are done, then you can start adding more to it, as long as god modding is not involved.
I understand reasonings in that if you didn't increase your powers, in many situations, you would logically die, but please remember, this is not reality. Get sick, be as hurt as you like, but in order to die permanently, no one can do that to your character w/o your say so. I mean, with all the wounds we have all encurred, we should all be dead if this was real life, so some allowances for RP have to be made, you do not need to increase your powers publically in order to live.
OOC development of your character, or in other words, jumping from point a to point b with no real IC actions, that's considered poor roleplay and is best just not done at all.
Pre-empting - never do it. When you return a post 2 seconds after someone returns theirs, this is what happens:
a. They think you did not bother to read their post and simply guessed at their reactions, even if you did read theirs, therefore they assume or are made to feel you are RPing AT them, rather than WITH them.
b. Your RP partner ends up feeling rushed because there was no contemplative pause allowed before they have to start typing a response back to you, added to that the feeling that you did not even read or consider their post, how could you have if you respond during the same 5 seconds they posted? So they end up feeling rushed, not enjoying the roleplay in the end and may not want to RP with you again.
If you are really able to speed read, comprehend and post that quickly, then take the other player's feelings into consideration and just wait at least 2 minutes before adding your response, up to 3 or more if in one on one situations and making paragragh posts. It goes unsaid that the larger the RP crowd, the more RPers involved in the scene, the shorter everyone's posts will get, then just notice how long others are taking and try to gadge yourself appropriately.
Pre planning - ....you have to do a little more OOC chat with your victims, work out if your attack will be met with retribution. If you do not want retribution, make sure your victim knows that beforehand and can choose to either not RP with you, or can work it out in their head how they will keep the attack a secret. If retribution is being allowed, then remember OOC consent is needed in order to permakill your character. I know free form is fun, so if you like that style of play and choose not to work out beforehand whether retribution is allowed, then RP will naturally ensue and it may end up with the friends/family/owners of your victim coming after you. Take that into consideration and be fair, let them get some payback rather than simply hide or constantly run from them. To me, if you are going to do something to someone, they should be allowed one act of retribution, if you are not going to allow that, then you need to work that fact out BEFORE the act of victimization.
IC Consequences to IC Actions- If you choose to do something in a very public place, like rape or killing, etc, expect public reaction, fair or not, it will happen. If you do not want to get caught, do it in a more private area or on your faction HQ grounds. Deeming that Midian has too many white knights when your character just hurt someone that many were fond of IC right in public view is not logical. Don't be so surprised when good guys and bad gang up on you, wanting to turn you into toast right then and there, just be smart about it, or otherwise, expect what you get if you want to do everything so publically. If you are new, without establishing a reputation for your character first and allies, people will just descend on you and try to beat your face in, that's just reality in Midian RP. ;p _________________ (Pera Sutekh, twin sis of Chigaru) BIO!>Pera
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| Charles Noble |
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem wrote: |
| IC Consequences to IC Actions- If you choose to do something in a very public place, like rape or killing, etc, expect public reaction, fair or not, it will happen. If you do not want to get caught, do it in a more private area or on your faction HQ grounds. Deeming that Midian has too many white knights when your character just hurt someone that many were fond of IC right in public view is not logical. Don't be so surprised when good guys and bad gang up on you, wanting to turn you into toast right then and there, just be smart about it, or otherwise, expect what you get if you want to do everything so publically. If you are new, without establishing a reputation for your character first and allies, people will just descend on you and try to beat your face in, that's just reality in Midian RP. ;p |
I think this part needs more .... less assured successes. As said before the consent of the parties involved over ride the right of those interfereing public or not.
For example
I and the riders go out on a raid which is
A. Wanted by a group of victims. ((they WANT us to snatch them off the street and haul them back to my bar to be victimised))
B. That's our game plan, we've planned it out to include distractions, Account for heroes after all we are the SURPRISE element. NO ONE knows we are coming. WE are doing a hit and run raid with distractions and blitz krieg type movement.
YES we EXPECT token efforts of heroism, but we will not allow them to foul up the fun of the riders and victims for that night. And Icly WE have planned upon the intervention of heroes anyhow... remember WE know we are comming the rest of the town dosn't. So how effective can heroes be in a situation they are not expecting, versus an enemy that is litterally riding in, snatching and grabbing , with out breaking stride.... whoosh.
betcha ass I'll be ignoring heroes able to keep stride with a galloping horse.
yes we will be in public
No icly no one will be expecting it or prepared for it as our schedules are random as hell.
Don't encourage those that like to ruin the fun for the majority to feel they are justified.
token efforts appriciated, but at the end of the day, unless i'm wearing an NPC "token throwaway bad guy" titler, I'm not there to be stopped and my victims sure as hell don't want me to be stopped either.. It's only the heroes who want to..
Not saying, don't make a move, don't interfere, go ahead and shoot, you might wing me... lightly wound me or accidently shoot one of the victims..but what you won't do is hold us up indefinitely and prevent the fun victims and abusers have planned for each other..
Just feel your post gave it a
If you commit any act in public, you are automatically going to be beaten up and have to accept it... I'd say public play is
An invitation for attempted intervention. Not a Successful intervention..
the success of course is always , always dependant on the "target" ((or "targets" if shooting into a crowd containing victim and abusers)) in any giving scenerio
Success of me attempting to rip of the shirt is determined by my victim.
success of a hero attempting to stop me in my tracks is determined by me
I'm holding a girl and we whiring about and hero shoots at me, betcha ass i'll im the girl and ask her if she wants to be hit...we are both potential targets after all..;) _________________ The above statements are opinions of the person behind the name "Charles Noble" these opinions may change over time, they may not agree with your opinon, that is the nature of opinions. Endevour to debate the "issue" not the "Person" |
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| Deets Carroll |
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem wrote: |
IC Consequences to IC Actions- If you choose to do something in a very public place, like rape or killing, etc, expect public reaction, fair or not, it will happen. If you do not want to get caught, do it in a more private area or on your faction HQ grounds... |
Maybe you could include a note on Deb's 'Consensual Roleplay - Do Not Disturb' titler idea? Use it if you need it, respect it if you see it. |
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| Lucca Staheli |
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that in this case with the Riders raids perhaps the victims or the rider or both could wear a titler. Cause as you stated it's random so no one really know what is going on. I wouldn't know if it was some raid or some random attack on someone.
So speaking atleast for Jake in his character he would do anything in his power to stop anyone who tried to take one of his people, and of course I respect you are on a horse but unless it's bullet proof they can be stoped as well. So to just avoid any confusion or uneeded interuption a titler would just make things much easier. If I knew what was going on oocly obviously I wouldn't make those kinds of attacks and if the action is fast stoping to im well hell you could be out of he scene by then. |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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I would agree with all of you, the problem is, he wants all free form, so I was telling him that if he makes no plans or arrangements, these things will probably happen. If he walks up on a girl in public and tries to rape her with out any pre-planning. Say like he walks into the peep show and proceeds to rape Luci in front of God and everyone, well, expect IC reactions to that. _________________ (Pera Sutekh, twin sis of Chigaru) BIO!>Pera
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| Lucca Staheli |
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Well if the riders wear the tag it can still be a suprise to the city, but atleast when seeing the action happening you know oocly jus at a glance what is going on. I mean can't really claim you want free form but say I don't want anyone to stop my rp. Cause in all fairness I don't want to bother with rp where in the end my ic actions aren't wanted. And from an ooc stand point I agree that if a character wants to be victmized well then icly I will find a reason for Jake to not care about them easily solves the problem. But I suppose another conversation for another threa so I'll just shut up now  |
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