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| ghandi |
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Bleh. Now I have to write on American Police and Security Guard Hand-To-Hand because that's what I'm fluent in. Which means I basically have to write on Judo and various other concepts as well that are borrowed from. Or just how properly to fire and take care of some of the common firearms carried by residents.
I was a military brat and my dad got all the cool toys. ^.^
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| Masha Eilde |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: Capoeira! |
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As promised, my fantabulous husband sent me this write up from work. For those into creds, his mestre is Mestre Vaguinho of Sao Paulo (Wagner Bueno) who's mestre is Mestre Gladson Oliveira, student of Mestre Onca, who trained under Mestre Bimba. My husband, who's Capoeira name is Sancao, is yellow-blue (they use the traditional cordao system), and has been training under Mestre Vaguinho for seven+ years.
Enjoy!
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--- begin Capoeira in Midian by Sancao ---
Capoeira in Midian
Overheard in a bar in Midian:
“I hear that people around here don’t take Capoeira serious as a martial art. As a Capoeirista, I have only one thing to say about that: good. Don’t take us seriously. Underestimate us. That’s the way we like it. Deception is a key element of Capoeira, and if you think we’re just a bunch of acrobats and dancers then we’re doing our job well.
“It’s always been that way, actually. Capoeira was developed in Brazil by African slaves. The slaveholders, of course, didn’t want their slaves learning to fight, but they had no problem with the slaves making their music and dancing. So they practiced fighting disguised as dancing. It didn’t exactly lead to the abolition of slavery in Brazil -- that was the handiwork of Princess Isabel -- but it did contribute to the escape of many a slave. In fact, Zumbi, the great leader of the freed slaves at the Quilombo Dos Palmares, was said to be a Capoeirista.
“Actually, the slaves revolts had proven too well how effective Capoeira was. Even after slavery was abolished, Capoeira was made illegal. It was deemed too dangerous. It attracted a criminal element who weren’t afraid to exploit its effective attacks. That wasn’t proving to be an effective enough deterrent, though, so they began pressing Capoeiristas into military service and sending them to the front lines where their fighting skills would work for the government instead of against it.
“The problem, of course, was that most of them came back. Then you had these layabouts bumming around, playing Capoeira and committing crimes. Well, for some of them, Capoeira was their only crime, but that was the perception and there were enough actual criminals among them to make up the difference.
“Those were dark days for Capoeira, not just because we were wanted as criminals. Everyone knew how effective the art was. You had guys like Besouro Manganga beating up the police. He was so unassailable that everyone said he had a corpo fechado, a magically “closed body” that couldn’t be harmed by mundane weaponry. When he was finally murdered, it was said to have been done with a wooden knife that had undergone special rituals.
“Then came Manoel Dos Reis Machado, the great Mestre Bimba. Not only did he revolutionize the art form, he brought it off the streets and into the academies. His work made it so popular that it not only became legal, it got recognized as a sport. He even gave us our first promotion system, but instead of belts he used silk scarves. They were tied around the neck, of course, to protect the wearer from straight razors. That’s the official weapon of Capoeira, by the way, the straight razor. We can hold it in our hands or in our toes, and we do actually train to fight with them. Well, we use machetes too, but the razor is more appropriate. It’s compact, easy to conceal, and you may not see it until it’s too late and the damage is done.
“Now we’ve come full circle again. People just think we’re dancing. They don’t see the way we watch each other, the way we feint and fake and read each other. They don’t understand that we call the really good Capoeiristas Mandingueiros, because they’re like magic. They can seem to read your mind. They know how you’re going to move before you do. And worse than that, they can direct you, too.
“Hey, thanks for the drink. No, I don’t need another. I should get moving anyway. Tchau.”
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For the curious, I may have glossed over a few things there for narrative purposes, but the basics of that are all true. For all its flamboyance and show, Capoeira is at heart a very practical martial art. Yes, we like to kick and we’re very good at it. We know all kinds of kicks. But we will gouge your eyes out if that’s the opening you left us (and yes, this is a movement we practice). We will strike with our feet, our knees, our hands, our elbows, our heads or your beer bottle -- whatever is convenient at the time. We’ll use any tricks that can gain us an advantage, especially when it’s for real. We train to read people’s intentions and to disguise our own. We train to dodge more than block, and counterattack more than dodge. And yes, we like it when you underestimate us.
That’s all just for information purposes though. Honestly, no art is “better” than any other. It all comes down to the person.
--- end Capoeira in Midian by Sancao --
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| Masha Eilde |
| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| Mordag McCallen wrote: |
Capoiera
And one of those movies I was talking against posting at start of the topic, but I just couldnt help myself, because I think it is rather well performed. Those guys are doing helluva useless moves if they mean to kill, if you ask me, but if you take it as nice dance performance, it is allright.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jYp6U3YZs&feature=related |
Hee, I just got around to looking at the links and the bad guy in the second one is Lateef Crowder, who also trains under Mestre Vaguinho at my husband's academy although these days, he mostly lives in LA  He's ADORABLE and was once an olympic grade gymnast.
Cheers!
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| Chance Pennell |
| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm surprised no one mentioned Shaolin Kenpo Karate? |
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| Mordag McCallen |
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| Chance Pennell wrote: |
| I'm surprised no one mentioned Shaolin Kenpo Karate? |
Well, be my guest to do so. Anyone is welcome to bring some enlightement on the topic.
Also if anyone could reffer some on Aikido, I would apreaciate it, even when I deem the technique effective only against people who have absolutely no idea bout hand to hand combat, from my own experience. But someone feel free to lead me away from my dark hole.
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| Beatz |
| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks so much Beatz, that really made my day complete. Almost forgot how I do like SpecNaz.
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| Mordag McCallen |
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| theshadow |
| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I can give descriptions, but I need time... and desire to type them...
I own something I refer to as 'the big book of martial arts' 400 pages describing around 100 different martial arts... But it's currently buried in my library under dozens of other books... |
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| MarkkoOndricek |
| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Shim Gum Do Mind Sword Path
http://www.shimgumdo.org/
This is a relatively new art, the founder and Grandmaster lives in Boston, so it is very local to me. The dojo and temple are located in Boston as well. Developed by a Zen Master on his retreat to enlightenment. There is alot that I could copy paste here, but I think it is better if you take a look at the sight yourself. I have contemplated getting into this myself, but before I can do anything physical I have to get my ACL fixed, bleh. Anyway, take a look.
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| Marina Storaro |
| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Just so y'all know oocly, cause it came up, there is someone whose character is an adept Capoerist, but I don't believe he's Rp'd it out yet in combat - Jackson (Morizyan Deadlight).
Keep shootin' at me Legion and ya just might see it!! Grrr... lol
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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I ll keep it in mind, I am looking forward for the Indiana Jones scene "any hand to hand technique against a gun" *grins*
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| MarkkoOndricek |
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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It is not my fault he decided to use our tower for cliffhanger training. Else we would have perhaps more of a chat.
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I still maintain though that acrobatic martial arts require a degree of practice and physical exercise to maintain.
speaking in a pure roleplay sense..
krav maga dosn't its not a patern and "move" based style it is instinctial and you can be in any shape , even an 80 year old man to maintain its use.. you never get rusty, once taught its with you forever.
the showy martial arts require you to be at peek physical fitness which requires use of the gym and stuff, if you exercising regularly is not roleplayed out i'm going to question your ability to be fluent in the moves and sufficiantly warmed up to use them.
Read As... if you are an expert in a martial arts that requires serious dedication and exercise and yet you only bring it up in a combat situation.. then you are not dedicated and exercised enough to use it in a combat situation... krav, krav, krav...less showy far more effective and you can be a sloth and still use it.
also in a pure roleplay sense
if you are ambigious about your move and theres an opening for me to exploit i don't expect this as a response
"as i'm a tenth dan martial artist i avoid the blow easily" serriously show me HOW you are avoiding the blow not WHY it is ic justified..
if you can't type how you avoid it, from the position you put yourself in. too freakin bad. ((i.e you over extend and leave yourself off ballance, don't ignore that fact, and suddenly be back flipping commital to moves ))
at the end of the day I expect a combat to be won or lost based on the discriptions not the character background, that includes martial arts styles.
((krav maga versus gun is very good, less you far far away, but then krav teaches you how to shoot back too))
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