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| Ixion Laperriere |
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Deets, while I agree with you about Moore's law our current gate size is only 450 carbon atoms across. Mathematically speaking, if we increase the power by 8 we would need to half the gate size of the transistor every 6 years (225, 112, 56, 28 etc...). I would imagine that there will have to be some sort fundamental revolution because quantum teleportation is already becoming a huge issue with power leakage (Its how your flash memory works).
Unless we find something smaller to use, I think what you'll find is a change in manufacturing technology to allow for larger processor chips (in area) to be manufactured more consistently, aka more cores.
It might be possible to manipulate the quarks inside the subatomic particles, or perhaps store data by affecting the rotational spin of electrons (The basis for how most modern day theories plan to do quantum computing).
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| Soap Clawtooth |
| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Kiri Mayako wrote: |
| Soap - your not seeing it doesn't prevent it from existing. I don't see a need for the UAC to have .50 caliber ammunition, but they do. ((Not trying to be mean at all, just saying - it's the Yakuza. They're evil bastards who want to sell us all into slavery. Or something.)) |
I wasn't questioning its existence with that post. I was questioning the Yakuza's need for such a technology.
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| Deets Carroll |
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| Ixion Laperriere wrote: |
Deets, while I agree with you about Moore's law our current gate size is only 450 carbon atoms across. Mathematically speaking, if we increase the power by 8 we would need to half the gate size of the transistor every 6 years (225, 112, 56, 28 etc...). I would imagine that there will have to be some sort fundamental revolution because quantum teleportation is already becoming a huge issue with power leakage (Its how your flash memory works).
Unless we find something smaller to use, I think what you'll find is a change in manufacturing technology to allow for larger processor chips (in area) to be manufactured more consistently, aka more cores.
It might be possible to manipulate the quarks inside the subatomic particles, or perhaps store data by affecting the rotational spin of electrons (The basis for how most modern day theories plan to do quantum computing). |
Well, recall that a plain old everyday cold virus (rhinovirus) does a lot of what we'd like nanotech to do. A virus has it's own power source, runs a 'program', stores a significant amount of data (in the form of DNA) and has the tools to modify cells and reproduce itself -- all in a package 20 billionths of a meter across.. Bacteria are a few millionths of a meter in size, much larger than most viruses, but can have much more sophisticated 'programs', have far more 'data storage', can be self-propelled, and still survive quite well inside the body.
So... it can be done. It *is* being done by Mother Nature. Nanites won't use gates and transistors; they'll use molecules. |
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| Ixion Laperriere |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| So... it can be done. It *is* being done by Mother Nature. Nanites won't use gates and transistors; they'll use molecules. |
I completely agree. They are currently trying to genetically engineer viruses to rewrite sections of your DNA to create more favorable genetics. Commonly known as gene-doping. Better living through chemistry....
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| Don't forget that your entire genome -- about 750 megabytes -- can be stored in one single cell. |
Is that just the DNA is your Nucleus or does that count in the unique DNA of your Mitochondria? There are bacteria DNA hard-drive that take advantage of the dense data storage that bacteria and DNA provide.
To completely honest, I am amazed by and terrified of what is on the horizon if we maintain this pace of technological growth. Sometimes we go from theory to applied prototype in a frightening small period of time. I am still waiting on my flying car though. I believe I've mentioned this before, if technology progresses as it is currently. By 2053, a computer costing $1,000 dollars is estimated to have a computational power exceeding the entire human race. Exciting time to be alive.
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| Stephan Nephilim |
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| Soap Clawtooth wrote: |
| Given stephen's associations (I think) The Yakuza, it would not be unreasonable to assume that such an organisation would be able to...acquire such things. Particularly in a setting like Midian. But I don't see any reasonable purpose for a gang like the yaks needing nanotechnology. Other than to sell it on to the highest bidder. |
Well, the Yakuza's interest in the nanotechnology through Stephan is not for medical purposes but for chemical engineering. The idea is that nanotechnology can allow a more efficient construction of complex organic molecules atom by atom by interacting with specific electric charges. This allowed the creation of complex molecules without the need for various seperation techniques, catalysts and usually a long convulted process to get only a small percentage of the materials you want.
The reason for this interest in precise chemical engineering is to create 'gourmet' drugs based on realistic organic chemisty, also another use is decomposing corpses molecule by molecule to harvest the raw materials, mostly with the goal of making drugs. |
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| Soap Clawtooth |
| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: |
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Seems like alot of effort and expense to go through in light of the goal.
Sounds like they'd be better off using Nubots instead.
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| Liliane |
| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Soap Clawtooth wrote: |
| Given stephen's associations (I think) The Yakuza, it would not be unreasonable to assume that such an organisation would be able to...acquire such things. Particularly in a setting like Midian. But I don't see any reasonable purpose for a gang like the yaks needing nanotechnology. Other than to sell it on to the highest bidder. |
*quirks a brow* Stephan isn't Yakuza.. and as for why we would need nanos... hell if we got our hands on a shipment of nanos by intercepting a shipment or something.. we'd just sell it.. Then again, there are things behind the scenes that would make alot of things make sense, but i like to have Rp that not everyone knows about til it hits the streets. So as for Nanotechnology and Yakuza...
1. We could get it, but we dont really need/want it unless we are selling it.
2. If we did want it.. We have contacts that others dont know about to use/experiment with it.
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| Soap Clawtooth |
| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't sure, Liliane, that's why I bracketed (I think). As I said. Nubots would be better.
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| Stephan Nephilim |
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Sorry Sakito, I should have mentionned Stephan is not associated with the Yakuza and it's only an ooc guess that the drugs are for them.
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| Soap wrote : Nubots would be better. |
What's a nubot? (unless it's a different spelling of nanobot?) I would look it up on google but my net is acting like crap.[/quote] |
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| Soap Clawtooth |
| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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nucleic acid robot.
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| Stephan Nephilim |
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| Could nucleic acid robots be explained to me and especially the difference between this and a nanomachine? I found nothing about them on google? |
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