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| Mr.Crispy |
 Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: New Shadow Warden |
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Hi as many as u know i became the shadow warden after the whole Quidos nonsense. I find myself at a crossroads though. We have the current players active:me,maddison,brandon,hookum,skinner. Now the following players have been basically inactive for the past several months or so
kiara DeSantis
Kray Reynolds
Khristen Lassard
Magdalena Noyes
Alaric Freund
By inactive i mean NEVER uses base. Never interacts with other members. Now by nature the shadow group may have loners due to the insane nature of some or most of the chars but that doesnt mean u dont keep in touch with your fellow members. We play in midian cause we want to have fun here and engage in good/fun or thought provoking roleplay. Now i recently told the people i listed above as inactive to show up or risk boot cause they NEVER play on the sim. I had to boot about 6 others who had not even logged on in months due to quidos lack of mangement or perhaps avoidence of him.
In particular one of them actually showed his face when i risked boot only to openly demean me without ever having rped with me. I think its in very poor taste to belittle your fellow members so im stuck with a dilema of sorts.He also basically insinuated that he couldnt bother rping with me and im a joke cause i dont dress in normal street clothes in a place full of vampires/robots/nekos etc..
Now i want peoples opinions.. How would you handle someone like this without being viewed as a tyrant. I dont want to call names but those who are so judgemental without rping with someone especially are really just showing how much of an ass they are in real life. Thank you for taking te time to read the post and try to keep things relatively civil. |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Well, he's probably Q's alt for one, so I wouldn't worry too much about him. ;p
But....almost every faction establishes participation criteria and I have found that I have needed to do this as well, I guess we all do. Just do what you feel is fair, maybe alert the group that they need to check in and RP as Shadows...once every...whatever you decide, if they fail to do this during a period of...whatever you decide, then they will be kicked IC from the faction for desertion of duties. I would assume you would let people like Jay and Wicked slide here, because they have extenuating circumstances, if they are still SS, not sure.
Also, if this person has a problem respecting your "authora-tie" then I guess he can go it on his own, YOU are the leader of the Shadow Stalkers, it is really up to you if you want to deal with disrespect IC or not. I would think if this guy is doing it IC, there would be IC repercussions, if he is doing it OOC, then no one should have to deal with someone being rude to them like that, just give him the boot if he can't work it out and accept your leadership.
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| Mr.Crispy |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| I have np with someone disrespecting me ic wise for I can handle it IC wise. When someone talks down to you and demeans you ooc wise that is another story though. Not only that but to add to it he started to take what he thought ooc and insult me ic wise. I know the difference between the two and i can easily tell when someone is conveying their rl thoughts directly rather then playing a char.. for they are merely playing themselves. I think more people need to start playing characters rather then themselves. We all know you put part of yourself into a char but some apparently toss everything and play the sim as if its their rl self. |
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| Debra Charron |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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"Non Participation" is a legitimate reason to boot someone from any group. Over in COH/COV, we did it frequntly unless someone took the trouble to send an "I will be away for a short while" message to the group in advance, or we knew them to be on military deployment or ill in RL.
I'd message this person and give them a chance to clarify their status within a week OOCly. If they respond with OOC angst or fail to respond at all, then action would be indicated.
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| Mr.Crispy |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you for the feedback. |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Taking IC to OOC and OOC to IC is always a problem anywhere Serp, unfortunately, all you can do is maintain your integrity, don't feel guilty about running your faction though.
There are going to be lots of people criticizing and telling you what they think you should do, others that will pat you on the back for a good job, all when you are doing the exact same thing. So, ultimately, you have to do it the way YOU think is best and only listen to the naysayers if they offer polite helpful constructive suggestions. Otherwise it's mostly people griping because they are miserable or bored with themselves and taking it out on you, just tune those types out and enjoy the game.
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| Kc Cuttita |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I think whenever there's a change in leadership in a faction there's going to be changes in the faction too. Some people, that were friends with the former leader will leave and maybe hold a grudge, but change is good. New ideas and leadership can open up a ton of new roleplay scenarios.
You win some you lose some but I think in the end you'll find you've gained far more then lost. You'll be able to recruit like minded people that fit your way of thinking just as I'd guess everyone else does. Throw a FIDO on it and forget it. Oh in case you don't know what a FIDO is, it's short for Fuck It Drive On. |
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| Nerio |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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I went through this with the Hounds and still get a bit of it from time to time. People aren't comfortable with change. I took a lot of OOC beating when I took the Canis role and it was really uncalled for. I gave people enough time to tell me what their intentions where OOC before I started to kick them.
How I see it. It is YOUR group now. You will have different views and philosophies than the previous leader. That is how things work no matter where you go. Each leader will always have their own way and will never be able to do exactly as the other leader did no matter how hard he tries.
I had a lot of crap OOC directed to me..you're Hounds are pussies compared to the old ones or your Hounds are too rough or your Hounds suck in comparison and it got to me for awhile. But now...I realise from the people that ARE in the Hounds that they are happy. And that's all that matters to me. That The Hounds are happy..they are the priority..
So, I know how you're feeling and I will tell you...keep trudging on mate. It's worth it in the end once you finally start getting recognition ICly and OOCly. =) Hang in there mate. I think you will make a great leader and make the right choices. |
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| J8 Skall |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Okays, I think I'm the first Shadow to post on this topic. Far be it from me to tell you what to do, I had to turn down my opportunity, but I do know many of the following, so will analyse what I see of their participation, then give my thoughts on being a Shadow, and criteria for the gang.
Kiara DeSantis - Kiara is about the sim, a small maskes woman with black hair in a catsuit... okay so thats half the city, but she is about. Whether or not she roleplays as a Shadow, I don't know, and I don't think shes Shadow material. She is a good friend of mine, but I have never seen her let rip on anyone, her roleplay tends to be very vanilla, even when forced.
Kray Reynolds - Kray's about, and is a great guy, though I haven't seen him roleplay as a Shadow, not to say he doesn't, though I think this is a conbversation we should have. On a slightly more cynical note, having an admin in the gang helps things run smoother often, when we can get backup from there.
Khristen Lassard - She used to play Shadow alot, although I havent seen her about in ages, when we last spoke a while back it seemed RL had kicked in majorly, probabaly safe to say she's inactive.
Magdalena Noyes - Magda is the one choice out of these I really can't fathom, I have seen ehr about on numerous occasions, and indeed have interacted with her IC as a Shadow. I think shes a s'killed roleplayer and interesting active character, she is an occasional alt of someone, but few people can constantly play a downright evil character, as a gang we should respect the fact will will attract people's evil alts, even if they arent mains, they still are valuable players we should accomodate.
Alaric Freund - Haven't seen him in months, and he shouldnt really have been a Shadow in the first place.
You really need to decide though what road you want to take the faction down. It has always been a gang of loners, and not interacting well with your fellow psychopath wasn't seen as a bad thing.
You can change that, or keep it the same, but really it matters what you want from players, and the IC context you use to justify it. You have my initial planning for the Shadows when I considered them, which gives alot more of my thoughts on the matter, so I don't need to repeat them here.
I would just say, go with what you think, and work hard to make a fun OOC coherant faction, which makes sence IC and has rp possibilitied and does a job in the wider city.
In a difference of opinion to Nerio, when running a faction I see the happiness and effect on other players to be as important as 'mine'. The city is about atmosphere and image, so we have a responsibility when leading factions to add to that image and 'feel' for the benifit of everyone.
And, playing the character you do, you need to get ready for OOC abuse, sadly it happens, and I found it unavoidable on Jay, among people I've never roleplayed with and people who just want to play a hero and take you down, and get pissed when you dont want to let them continually.
You've been elevated to somewhat of a target OOC and IC, and there will be crap, from immature roleplayers, and there will be disagreements from mature ones,the challenege is to take on board well thought out reasoned and helpful criticism, and to shrug off the OOC. I'm not saying im the best at that, the OOC gets me down alot, and limits my roleplay, but I should be better, and the idiots who have nothing good or helpful to say OOC should be ignored.
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| Mr.Crispy |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Good cause Alaric Freund was already booted since he was one i was talking about. Others i only spoke to briefly but seem a hell of alot nicer then that fellow. =)Oh and thank you for the information you listed concerning the other players.. I mostly threatened a boot just to see if i could get some out of hiding  So thank you J8 and your idea is noted, your opinions as well as the others are highly valued. |
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| Nerio |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| J8 Skall wrote: |
In a difference of opinion to Nerio, when running a faction I see the happiness and effect on other players to be as important as 'mine'. The city is about atmosphere and image, so we have a responsibility when leading factions to add to that image and 'feel' for the benifit of everyone.
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Don't get me wrong. I agree with you on that to some level. I am not here to make the whole SIM happy though. It's an impossibility to manage that as I've learned through the two factions I've maintained. There will ALWAYS be someone that is not happy no matter what you do. My priority is to my faction (When I say that that includes me. I am here for ME as well..not just for those people that feel I need appease THEM. That's not why I am here), the SIM is second priority when it comes to appeasing people. I have literally had people tell me we are too dark and people that tell me we aren't dark enough. Meh.. |
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| Pushy Snaps |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I would say a good thing to do is to bump someone down to the lowest "rank" for inactivity and best to come up with a guideline. Say, a period of time that there's no contact with them with some mechanism for people to report OOC things like vacations or family emergencies (we are all here to have fun and not make SL/Midian a Job). Following that, another defined period of time before they are removed completely.
This gives the person a warning to contact you and correct the issue before complete removal. You demote them and they do nothing, then they obviously don't mind being removed. |
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| J8 Skall |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Shadows don't have ranks, part of the psychopathic thing and why they, in their current form, aren't suited to being a gang in the traditional sense. There is simply the warden, who has questionable IC control, and the Shadows, really at the moment any administration is all OOC.
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| Chandra Meehan |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I think it is really all said by those before, just adding one thing that I do when booting people out of the Breed: having given a groupnote to announce clean-up, I will actually go through the group about 2-3 weeks later and kick - those that get kicked for long-term-inactivity as well get an IM from me telling them OOCly that I took them out for inactivity over months, and should they decide to return to Midian at some point of time to come back and formally see the Prince and give an IC reason why they have been absent so I would re-add them. So far this worked good, nobody has scremt at me yet, and the only person who did was booted for a handfull of reasons beyond inactivity.
So I guess the OOC-complaining is the exception and NOT the rule. And as others said before: you're not responsible for everybody's RL-issues they might bring into RP when insulting you, so I think as well you can just ignore those. And the way I see it, IF somebody is strongly insulting you for what you do without reason or constructive effort, then there is no loss either, obviously THEY don't give shit to RP with you and the group, so why should you in return worry about playing with them. Makes no sense.
so you're all fine with what you did.
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| Forge |
| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Mags is an alt of a friend of mine. She has been busy on her main lately but she is still playing Mags and enjoys the shadows. Give her a bit of time to let things cool down and she'll be around more regularly. And to be fair-- if you see Forge's chest all carved up...Mags is the one who did it. |
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