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| Affrika |
 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Can we please stop saying "nekos" and make sure your being clear in reference to the Catwalkers. Again not all of the Neko players claim the catwalks or any turf that goes along with it.
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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no i'm speciest 
but you know, specisim could be handy in midian.
catwalkers and what they do could have implications on all nekos
so could pack actions..
because you know specisim ((a species form of racisim)) works like that...
when someone says "that was the catwalkers, not the the pack or strays or other neko's" hell ya all look tha same to me..
I know oocly its only the catwalkers that claim the walks icly... but you know thats bad news for all neko's
because of the actions of the "few" the "majority" get the fall out
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| theshadow |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Charles while I usually argue against having a territory up above (as it does limit RP)... We are the only 'gang' in the city to actually claim 'turf' like real gangs... 'Sadly' we may not do much else like a 'real gang', but Nekos can live within our domain... It's isolated from humans, other cats are allowed on nearly any roof or walk in the city. The HQ being the only area they aren't, and I argue that even is to much of a limit at times, but it is a faction HQ in abotu the same way as the UAC bunker. It's been off limits to humans for a very long time though and it was due to tensions between normal humans and nekos were we were looked down upon regularly... The fact that almost all factions have nekos in them is one of the reasons things could be going back to a balance, but much like real life the IC racism will go on unless the effort is made to bridge it...
Also the Church, Fogotten roof, the academy roof, the buildings above the beach front, and lots of other roofs actually aren't CW turf... Our 'turf' is actually fairly small once you realize what it does and doesn't cover... |
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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yep unfortunately there are dirty mangy cats in most factions. Damian hates them i think
and rena is doing a good job of stiring up the hatred of em lol, cept she lost all external apparences... i'm gonna glue a tail and ears on her when she goes freaking nuts..
I think its a good thing ultimately that they do shoot people down, just don't think they should expect anyone icly to consider it fair or justified.
and thinking more on it, I hope catwalker, pack, stray actions do have a knock on effect on all nekos and indeed lone neko actions have a knock on effect on catwalkers.
more fuel for rp |
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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needs in general to be more specisim or predjudice
now with the masqurade and respective laws of the jungle ((keep your nature secret)) it's hard to have a vampire or lycan predjudice unless you've encountered them and know what they are. ((and actually encountered them in sim, they are not common knowledge))
so it falls down to human, neko, inu, kitsune, mech predjudice which is the most accessible.
of course you can play "authority figure" predjuice as the authorities have "uniform" which marks them out. |
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| October Hush |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| J8 Skall wrote: |
| Was just an idea Tober, there wa sno need to go on the defensive, and pick and choose what bits you quote. |
Er, why not? That's what we do on here, right? Have debates? I was simply explaining why I disagree with you. I don't take it as a personal attack. Since you seem to have an issue with me "picking and choosing" what to quote, I'll respond to your list below individually...
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Read it again, I make mention of the following;
1. It being entirely dependant on what the CWs want to do - and simply an idea to enhance their roleplay. |
While I do appreciate the kind gesture of trying enhance our roleplay, I think we have a pretty good handle on it, thanks.
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| 2. The edge of the roleplay the nekos have as part of the city. Ie the much debated danger in the city. Also please not the word Neko, not Catwalker. Likewise I don't speak for Chandra nor her for me when commenting on vampires. |
Ok...here's the thing: The Catwalkers can't really be lumped in with the rest of the nekos in the city. We don't normally canoodle with the Pack or the Strays, and vice versa. Then there's all the nekos who aren't even in a faction, or are in some non-neko related faction. I think it's virtually impossible to come up with an idea to universally enhance "neko roleplay edge"...whatever that is.
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| 3. You also missed out the loopholes I mentioned that could be interesting. |
No, I didn't. I just didn't find them interesting. =)
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| 4. And most importantly you did exactly what I hoped you wouldnt and took an agressive, defensive postion on it as if I'm deriding your race/faction. Which I'm not, and I said so - it was simply an idea that I said could possibally be looked at, in a balanced manner. |
Again...you brought up ideas, I disagreed with them, we debate. That's kind of how it goes. I don't care if you have something against nekos or not.
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| As for what Shadey said, I did realise it might create a larger clique problem, but that why I put in the loopholes and reasong it would also be good for roleplay. It is a valid point, but the intent of the idea was ratehr to make sure that cats would get the smae roleplay, but have it more intense. |
Again, thanks for the concern, but I think we have a handle on how intense our roleplay is.
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| Anyways its only my personal idea on a city wide law that could happen, no more, and its not a prospect for the city, just an example I though could happen. Which sadly hasn't been reacted to all that well when I went to pains to stress my reasoning and intent in the original post. |
Hey, just because you think it's a great idea doesn't mean anyone else will, no offense, especially when you're talking about a faction that you're not even involved with.
You can call me defensive or whatever, but I'm just giving you my point of view.
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| October Hush |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Charles Noble wrote: |
needs in general to be more specisim or predjudice
now with the masqurade and respective laws of the jungle ((keep your nature secret)) it's hard to have a vampire or lycan predjudice unless you've encountered them and know what they are. ((and actually encountered them in sim, they are not common knowledge))
so it falls down to human, neko, inu, kitsune, mech predjudice which is the most accessible.
of course you can play "authority figure" predjuice as the authorities have "uniform" which marks them out. |
Yeah, honestly, I thought there would be more speciesism in Midian, actually. I've encountered it a bunch of times, of course, but it's not as prevalent as one might think. Or perhaps it just bubbles below the surface. I think stuff like that is great, and it is pretty realistic, since we would most likely be a marginalized group in society. It gives people something to rp off of. I thought for sure when the Midian Skinhead group formed, we would see more "species crimes", but it didn't really happen.
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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the problem with the skinhead group is it used nazi parphenalla which is against second life t.o.s and they weren't particularly speciesit, more overt racisim... which was not really character driven. It should have been a "humans first" movement.. but they seemed to ignore neko's and mechs and pick on "different ethenticities" which while realistic, I'm not entirely sure anyone could tell the difference of wether the "character" was racist, or the player. The whole roleplay seemed to consist of real world race slurs. calling people "g**k's" and "ni**ers" which well broadly offensive... not to get into politics, but yeah I don't think the priorities were right...
also i spoke to one once oocly and they kinda gave me the impression they were REALLY neo nazi
speciesim on the other hand much easier to roleplay out as we are all human. Sexism and Homophobia is equally as tricky as playing a racist, though the skinhead group did tend to do nothing more than walk up to ethenticies and just race slur them ....I would be just as concerned if players belonged to groups that just wanted to have an excuse to call people homophobic terms... ok i use whore, slut, bitch a lot.... but.. only on those who get turned on by it.... and its not the soul purpose for my rp..... For example I'd never use a sexually derogatry term on someone who didn't want me to... I'd use other insults.
so I tend to avoid it... and bunch up all my characters predjuice into three catogories
Species
Mentality
alligence
as yeah we all human, and i can hate fictional things with no recourse.
A speciest driven group would be fine.
their whole rp exists to terrorise nekos, thats fine, neko's aint real.
As for women in "sub roles" it aint sexist if they want to oocly be there..
I can't force anyone oocly to do my bidding.. I respect females oocly, thats evident by the fact I don't fuck with them if they don't want me to.
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| October Hush |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Charles Noble wrote: |
| the problem with the skinhead group is it used nazi parphenalla which is against second life t.o.s and they weren't particularly speciesit, more overt racisim... which was not really character driven. It should have been a "humans first" movement... |
Ahh, you see, that's what I thought it was. I never got the chance to interact with the members.
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| but they seemed to ignore neko's and mechs and pick on "different ethenticities" which while realistic, I'm not entirely sure anyone could tell the difference of wether the "character" was racist, or the player. The whole roleplay seemed to consist of real world race slurs. calling people "g**k's" and "ni**ers" which well broadly offensive... not to get into politics, but yeah I don't think the priorities were right... |
Yeah, that's an understandably difficult, gray area to tread in.
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speciesim on the other hand much easier to roleplay out as we are all human. Sexism and Homophobia is equally as tricky as playing a racist, so I tend to avoid it... and bunch up all my characters predjuice into three catogories
Species
Mentality
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Speciesism is easier for everyone to handle because well...we only have one species of people in rl so, it doesn't mirror reality quite as sharply. But, on the other hand, any words or actions that are made IC, I take ICly. I know people will like to play racist, sexist, speciesist characters...I think it's great! It certainly makes things interesting. I don't think people should take it all to heart so much when it happens IC, though I can imagine that some of it might cut close to the bone (particularly racism and homophobia)...and we're all different.
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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yes understandablly a grey area, which is why i play the three and respect ooc limits.. charles is a speciest so he don't care what color or sex that species is.. if its his own species you are in the club anyhow... and if you are a female, he wants to mate wit joo cuz you have the neccessary organs lol
actually tough women are more of a turn on to him anyhow. Probablly the "having good survivable genes" thing. though of course theres allure to soft and femine too... depends if i want chocalate or vanilla..
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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An individial character can be speciest all they like, but the official Midian rules should never be. Other than that.....what Tober said.
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| yes i said there needs to be "more" not it should be a rule |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Charles Noble wrote: |
| yes i said there needs to be "more" not it should be a rule |
never said you did say it
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| Charles Noble |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
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