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| Chandra Meehan |
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everybody's able to read this thread here, so no need to transfer it all. *grins*
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| Chandra Meehan |
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| J8 Skall wrote: |
| Were the arguements and points on here transfered, or just the opening post? |
everybody's able to read this thread here, so no need to transfer it all. *grins*
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| J8 Skall |
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Whether they do or not is a different matter... Afterall, you are all in the same postion, the proles who post here might have different, yet still noteworthy perspectives... Afterall faction leaders might not be exposed to any issues when they are offline.
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| RoxyannRepublic |
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As Chandra said all the factions leaders are coming together to discuss the issue at hand, when it's all been put together i'm sure it will be announced.
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| MarkkoOndricek |
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| RoxyannRepublic |
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| MarkkoOndricek |
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| J8 Skall |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't saying it wouldnt be announced, I was saying in this case the issue is what happens when a faction leader isn't online, and by its very nature is a discussion that should include the general Midian population, instead of being spirited off to be debated by the high brass in the city.
Afterall, there's planty of long term roleplayers who aren't admins or faction leaders, myself, Charles, Nenraa and many, many more. When it you look at it, the top posters on these forums aren', in many cases, Midian's elite.
Just think it's abit aloof to say the discussion has moved to the people who matter now, and it means any contribution on here is worthless, and many people who by rights should be involved(Markko, who has a base, for instance), aren't.
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| MarkkoOndricek |
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| RoxyannRepublic |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Jay,
All the points from this thread has been taken away and the faction leaders are now discussing their views and opinons. After all it is us who have to do the footwork for faction HQ interaction.
I can't honestly see it as being "aloof". The general public have had this thread to discuss the issues here and now those who are responsible for the faction HQ's are taking it all away to work it all out. To describe this thread as worthless is extreamly silly because without it I wouldn't of followed it up in the city hall forums to discuss with other admins/faction leaders.
Please take a step back and breathe, nobody is missing out on anything! its not the end the world! The fact the faction leaders are all talking to each other and working things out is a very good thing!
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| J8 Skall |
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It's not silly, or a silly reaction, I just don't think, especially in this case, it sevres a greater purpose to take this debate away from this board.
Remember I myself have been a faction leader with a base, and have been given a chance again recently, both of which ultimately I couldnt do due to unstable SL time. However , if I were a current faction leader, I would feel that in order to know what happens when I'm not online, I need to speak to people who aren't my contemporaries, when I ran the mercs I asked for input and gave every idea posed to me time and opportunity.
I think the better solution, as opposed to transfering this thread away from people who should have a say (and indeed do contribute alot on other topics), would be to simply tell those on the forum this threat exists, and link to it, so non admins and faction leaders can still give our perspectives.
Course it's not the end of the world, I'm just pointing out a rather disjointed, elitist approach to how these forums are used. If anything of worth is debated in secret, elite groups, then there's little point many of us wasting our effort on giving opinions.
Just don't think a two tier system helps anyone, especially in this example.
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| Nerio |
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To clear things up. The portion that's been started in City Hall isn't a discussion..moreso us seeing the point of what's happening here and making notes on it to do something about it. There is no discussion other than us making a list of where and what we will allow in our faction HQ. Then when that's finished we will present it to Midian city citizens.
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| J8 Skall |
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Okays, thanks Nerio
Sorry if I jumped the gun abit, although I do think that talking on here does get a more rounded view on everything, cause yah get the commoners and the gentry ;)
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| Daymian Decosta |
| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Alright so consent....
Gah such a difficult thing...
Honestly it's being overused.
I do believe that it's causing for a lot of trouble.
It's kinda like a kids rule.
For Example:
"Haha i shot you, and i managed to get into my faction HQ, where you cannot get in because i'm not allowing you that!"
"I can do anything i want in here because it's my faction HQ and if anyone tries to even think to interfere, they shall taste my wrath!"
See how ridiculous this is, well sadly enough...this does happen.
Anyhow, let's get back to the MC part.
Brilliant a fight broke out in the MC, people got involved..bla bla yadda yadda....and it ends up being voided, because they didn't get consent.
Fair enough but, c'mon...something intresting happens in you HQ...alright you wasn't there when it happend or you didn't give permission, but at least it's being used..Just NPC the damage getting fixed.
Now you end up having people who wasted their time roleplaying, only because one person didn't gave permission.
Not to mention the spoiled fun.
As for other Faction HQ's.
Most of them are in civilian buildings.
Let's say the MPD has reason to believe there is criminal activity taken place in a civilian Faction HQ, for example Unfortunate's place or Nerio's bar.
Normally Police would be stomping the door in, locked or not and figure out if there was actually something up or not.
But now you pretty much can't do anything because you are not allowed to do so, unless you get clearance.
I think Faction Leaders should loosen this rule up some more, especially for the MPD, because we really want to get involved with plots.
Not to mention...people constantly saying that the MPD doesn't get involved while they are trying their best, but simply can't do anything because everything is so restricted.
Might i also like to add the Kitten Den...it's restricted area...but basically anyone could walk in....Who is there to stop them from doing so?
The MPD could pretty much walk in if they want to....i'm not saying they wont get harmed if they do...but they can, right?
For example.
i won't call names but this person has this plot up and running which has an MPD cadet involved in.
The Cadet gets kidnapped and later on gets found, messed up and all.
Wouldn't it be normal for the MPD to get involved in this and investigate this matter?
i'll call this person: Plot Writer, i understand that you want your plot carried out, now i'm not entirely sure whether or not you want to be chased in this plot, but if you don't, i think it's kinda selfish, because you're only thinking about a select group of people, rather then everyone in Midian.
The MPD would definitly investigate this and we're at the point right now where we ended up at your HQ, wanting to get in and check out the place...door is locked...no worries, we could lock-pick it or whatever....oh crap we don't have consent.
It's more then normal for the MPD to get involved with this, especially since it took place at the church and had one of their own involved in it.
(Note if you did want other getting involved and investigate, or even chase you...then ignore this)
Let's look at it from the other way:
Let's say we were allowed to get in....we look around....see if we can find something intresting....guess what...we don't find anything....damn... i swear there must be something here.....but there isn't...ah well...we tried...there is nothing here...bam....your clear to go...and you won't get bothered...because ofcourse secret spots won't be found.
Isn't this alot better?
As for damaging other peoples stuff....that's a tricky one....i personally wouldn't...if i had an HQ...mind, UNLESS it's something important, like for example KAOS's antenna...
Doors, windows etc can be NPC fixed...while we're at it...we could even make a handy man group...i'm sure they will get alot of stuff to do around here in midian.
Anyhow what i'm trying to say is.
That most factions in civilian HQ's have secret spots in them.
So why would it matter if for example the MPD or anyone else came stomping in and investigate?
I mean most things, you end up doing in secret spots anyway, so we wouldn't find anything, unless you want something to be found.
IMO, it should be okay to come in and check out civilian HQ's (Not UAC, cuz they're a freaking bunker...other then getting on their property, there is no way to break into their bunker...unless you have tanks 'n sh*t.)
Secret spots won't be found anyhow...
Just let the faction leaders know that you have looked around the place.
And if you wreck things or make a mess, please let them know as well, so they can RP cleaning, repairing it...or if they want NPC it.
At the end of the day....does it really hurt to have people Roleplay at your HQ?
Note: Nightbreeds HQ is an exception because they have a secret hide out...so normal people wouldn't even know it's there...unless they make mistakes...which gets you right back to beginning.. Not sure if Nightbreed has a secret room in their HQ...might be handy ;) haha
Anyway...don't take this what i typed offensive...just a general thing i had in mind...just wanted to share it with ya'll
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: |
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what about peoples right to roleplay out a rape scene in the privacy of their locked rapist factions hq?
With out people kicking down the door and hampering everyone elses fun?
Hmmmm? 
Again, realisim don't overide respect.
If someone don't respect my roleplay, I don't acknowledge theirs period.
And I think that goes both ways. If someone Initiates roleplay with you then yes it's a foul for them to run to faction hq. to escape you.
but if you however initiate roleplay with someone else and hound them ((for example interfere in a scene in which you were not invited)) and they then run into a faction to escape .... yes.. you let them go..
After all a person should be free to end roleplaying with a person anyway they see fit. If they Initiate directly with you, then yes they should accept the consequences of you being an antsy person with a hero complex who's not going to abide faction hq rules..... on the other hand if you jump their rp you should abide the faction hq rules.
Bassically if I walk up to you in the street and slug you in jaw then run to my hq, sure persue me and come in...
but if i'm raping someone in the street and you decide to play hero and i drag her off to my hq, then DND ((do not disturb)).
And yes I can do anything I like in my faction hq ,because that's what it exists for. for me to rape and murder whomever I please with their consent. Not ya'll's
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