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| CezWriter |
 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: "Pretty clothes" in Midian? |
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One thing that I found a bit weird is that theres alot people in midian wearing "pretty" clothes. With "Pretty" I mean dresses, skirts, high heels, suits and the like - and in my imaginary post-ww3 world, an island and city created on a nuclear dump wouldnt have that much of clothes stores... especially not for the homeless and outcasts in the city.
Seeing midian regulars walking the mainstreet down in skimpy dresses and blingy shoes (okay, maybe doesnt happen that often) makes it a bit unrealistic to me. Yeah, I get that some people even in midian should be rich enough to buy clothes on the mainland and wear them in the street. But still... how many out of the total amount of people should that be?
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| Ayami Imako |
| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Well one could say that people make there own clothes to but I generally agree. Most folks in midian probably arnt gonna be having massive wardrobes. One or two nice items they save for special occasions, and then the more commonly worn clothing. |
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| Artika |
| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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As a somewhat regular wearer of pretty clothes (but maybe not blingy shoes at least) I think it would be ok if it fits the character's background and current situation... Artika is a vampire from a clan known for it's love of money and power, who gathered all of her wealth that she could carry before getting smuggled into Midian on a freighter... now her 'cover story' is a somewhat high-ranking and upper-class member of the secretive Midian art society who works out of the gallery.
Given that i think she should at least sometimes look overdressed and blingy for Midian, I think that it would be natural to react IC-ly to her as if that were unusual; in other words, she by all rights would be a target to the many less-privileged or predatory residents in Midian, especially if they don't know about vampires (and by far the majority shouldnt know about vampires IC). It has played out exactly that way a few times in fact. Anyway, I don't know if that is helpful, but that is my opinion at least relating to my char.  |
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| J8 Skall |
| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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I generally try and follow a Blade Runner/Sin City model.
Jay's always been a punk, and almost since hes been there his 'unifrom' has been a beater and camo's with some steel toed boots.
As he's evolved, he occasionally sports a big leather trenchcoat, in much the same was Deckard, Roy and Hartegan all did in the above films, with a high collar, an occasionally an air filter, to protect against cold, radiation (leather stops alpha particals), toxicity and general pollution.
Generally im for big coats, boots, high collars (they scream introvert or anti social, but also look kinda vampy), goggles, electrical gear, possbly cheap cybernetics, and gas masks/filters all loosk great and make interetsign avatars. Generally I find avs with less stiupid weapons and short skirts more interesting than those prancing round in next to nothing.
But yeah, I cant tell people how to dress, I do agree with you though Cez
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| mycaling |
| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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For the Dolls, I've specifically asked for the Sin City sort of aesthetic in the girls. Rough around the edges, grittier, though everyone has their own personality and style. We show lots of skin for a reason, obviously. We may be freezing our arses off or have a high tolerance for cold at this point, who knows.
In general, I assume people have what they brought with them, unless they have some mainland connection somehow. At least, it's largely how I've played my characters to date.
Dictating fashion leaves a bad taste in my mouth though. People wear what they want, and can afford in Linden-land.
PS - I hate bling with white hot hatred as much as I hate xcite stuff...
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| Satomi Ashbourne |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Minor complaint on this point: After Satomi's rather abrupt departure from the Legion, all she had was her uniform - an interesting RP scenario to be sure. However, it was decided that for some reason she could not wear her old uniform despite a lack of in-character justification or supporting roleplay. Note that she had torn all UAC patches off to show she was against them, so she wasn't trading on pretending to be UAC
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| Charles Noble |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's quite "Mad Max" we are going for... Besides post appocalyptic dosn't mean "Mad Max"
Even during world war two with rationing and all, people still dressed reasonablly smart and 1940's fashion is amongst my favourite despite the uncomfortable materials used.
It's not unreasonable to believe that the "materials" used are not actually that expensive. A silk shirt may well be polyester or some other cheap synthetic material. Nice leather boots may well be plastic.
Remmember we can't actually see the "grain" of the materials in second life, they could be any old cheap thing, the suits could be made of anything, but its a moot point as there is a gentlemans habbadashery right next to the pool hall.
But back to the point, the cut of a suit or dress dosn't mean its expensive. Materials are usually the expensive things, Who's to say that lovely cut red dress aint an old pair of curtians? |
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| Arcann Dyrssen |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Arc simply doesn't wear much clothing other than his normal ragged grey shirt, worn black gloves, sneakers and SWAT pants (which automatically makes everyone think he's MPD -_-). Sure, he'll trot out his white tux occasionally, but that's only to keep his boss happy, and he keeps it in pristine condition by not wearing it often and preserving it in between use rather carefully. Although of late, it seems he's gone shopping for some slightly nicer clothing, but still nothing entirely special.
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| Atmlady Alcott |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| Charles Noble wrote: |
I don't think it's quite "Mad Max" we are going for... Besides post appocalyptic dosn't mean "Mad Max"
Even during world war two with rationing and all, people still dressed reasonablly smart and 1940's fashion is amongst my favourite despite the uncomfortable materials used.
It's not unreasonable to believe that the "materials" used are not actually that expensive. A silk shirt may well be polyester or some other cheap synthetic material. Nice leather boots may well be plastic.
Remmember we can't actually see the "grain" of the materials in second life, they could be any old cheap thing, the suits could be made of anything, but its a moot point as there is a gentlemans habbadashery right next to the pool hall.
But back to the point, the cut of a suit or dress dosn't mean its expensive. Materials are usually the expensive things, Who's to say that lovely cut red dress aint an old pair of curtians? |
THIS is a very valid and a very correct point. ( I always knew you had a strong fashion sense Charles)
Its very funny, but in all honesty I have perhaps 200 designer dresses in my inventory as my business partner in SL is a designer/producer of his own fashions, BUT, the dresses I usually wear in SL are actually only 1 dress, and it is the BASIC NOOB DRESS, that you are allowed to change things like sleeve length, hem length and color, which is what I do.
As for my shoes, it is ths same story, as I have MANY PAIRS, but the main ones I wear are basic black slingback pumps, nothing elaborate, as I am but a poor, humble servant of the people.
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| Mordag McCallen |
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Uhuh... fashion.... yeah.... right...
I wear uniform and armor....
When going off duty, I wear dress uniform... uhuh.
I dont think I have any civ clothes in my inventory at all.
But to add, I think highly contributing factor is that there is NOT ENOUGH freebie punkish/torn/dirty freebies in Midian and since people sometimes have more than one second life, something usable in all occasions might be the first path to take?
That comes from person who has basic AV constructed on aproximately 0 Lindens, as well as I deem myself a builder, so that serves to match rich people who can afford to buy prim stuff. What I am totaly unable to create is clothing though, else I would be mass producing dirty, torn and punkish stuff.
From character point of view, anyone wearing nice dress and high heels is deemed a bit touched in the head by Mordag - Seeing Midian city where you can get into a fight on every corner, even when maybe not so often lately, Mordag would really hate to get cought in fight in dress on high heels. Thats like I-lose-button. You cannot fight properly, you cannot run. This factor also makes everyone on this point very suspicious character to her, mad people are hard to handle.
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| Rin Tae |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| From character point of view, anyone wearing nice dress and high heels is deemed a bit touched in the head by Mordag - Seeing Midian city where you can get into a fight on every corner, even when maybe not so often lately, Mordag would really hate to get cought in fight in dress on high heels. Thats like I-lose-button. You cannot fight properly, you cannot run. This factor also makes everyone on this point very suspicious character to her, mad people are hard to handle. |
Yes, that and the general condition of the streets in Midian makes Rin wear good stable boots.
btw. making clothes yourself is surprisingly easy when you had some experience with grafic programms and are able to imagine how a 2D picture would look on a 3D avatar. |
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| btw. making clothes yourself is surprisingly easy when you had some experience with grafic programms and are able to imagine how a 2D picture would look on a 3D avatar. |
Ah well, the curse of textures. Thats just never ending mystery to me.
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| J8 Skall |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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As a builder myself, I stumble where I have to buy things with textures, animations or scripts... So basically everything.
I can build any furniture or prop I need, but real quality requires you be good at a couply of disaplines, not just one - I only have prim building so stumble there.
However I could give a tonne of example stores for most themes, and think I'm pretty good at constructing avatars to suit roleplay characters.
As Mordag said, the legion is a very cheap option, as everything is supplied for you, my legion alt cost me just the skin, the AO was borrowed, and everythign else built by me, issued, or a minor buy (like a vest to wear off duty).
Eventually I want to make another, much more complete and original legion alt, as there is so much potential there.
Basically anything can be expanded on as an image, and done on the cheap or in pain staking detail, possibly both if your a half decent builder.
It's not really the cost of the stuff in Midian I would say Cez is talking about, beside the stupid cyber armour everything could be knockoffs, rather its the usefulness. In radiation, polutant and toxin laden air, the emphasis would be to cover flesh, especially outdoors, huddled into overcoats and the like, or wearing stuff like JR in Blade Runner.
Really its the OOC neko movement that influences the fashion for cute clothes, skirts bows and the like. Now this isn't a dig against Midian's nekos, though the same fashion does leak through, planety more have some of the most unique and cool avs in the city (Linds, Beatz etc). Its just nekos are anime characters, and anime is often over the top, and the whole anime cultutre for super cuteness, with big weapons and robotic armour... it all kind detracts from a gritty unfriendly feel, clinging to the edge of civilisation.
As for freebies in Midian, its been tried, and really it would need a large concerted effort from the city's builders, clothes makers and store owners to pull together some freebies. There doesn't seem to be massive interest in doing it, or having it done, and afterall, we aren't a charity, and people might take advantage if we offered too much free, personally, I'd amke any freebies a reward for good roleplay, issued by the mentoring group or faction leaders... Although the delay might mean people adopt their own styles...
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| Mordag McCallen |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I would only add that I have four characters around Midian and each one of them cost me about the same, not only the legion one, the difference was time spent looking for free stuff. In return if someone needs something, I build it if I am able, just for polite asking, even though as I am totaly broke in SL with no acces to Lindens, I dont mind getting tipped ;-)
To stand a little in defence of kitties of Midian, I have seen some brilliantly dirty cats around too, which brings me inner peace.
And for term builder, it is just my personal perception that I see many roles to create final item, I can easily see builders (as those toying with prims), scripters (guess what) and texture artists (guess again). Some have one skill, some have more. Some none and it is allright.
But to not stray too much OT, yeah, people come on, lets get dirty! (And not necesarily all coated, there are always people not willing to accept the danger as Jay does, so expose yourself to radiation, it does wonders for your skin!
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| October Hush |
| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Though I can understand why some characters would be wearing fancy dress, in my opinion it shouldn't be (and doesn't seem to be) the majority. For what it's worth, you'll probably never see Tober wearing heels unless she's at a wedding or something. And that hasn't happened yet.
(on another note, I agree wholeheartedly with Myca...bling is the DEVIL!)
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