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| Reinhardt Stenvaag |
 Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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sounds to me more like he informed Jade of the post so she could clarify things for everyone, since everyone seems confused.
if you ask me.. the amount of territory claimed doesnt matter
its what they can police (seriously, if no one ever sees them, then how does what they claim matter?)
and its what others claim
at best, I see the vampires claiming some space that the skinwalkers have claimed, but thats it, everyone else is locked up inside the city itself. to me, the logic is, the city is meant to be crowded, and it is. the skinwalkers get the little bit of wild land left, and thats realistic.
though as a newbie, I am supprised that no one has laid claim to the area around the old gas station before the skinwalkers did. |
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| DaveDoowangle |
| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Reinhardt Stenvaag wrote: |
sounds to me more like he informed Jade of the post so she could clarify things for everyone, since everyone seems confused.
if you ask me.. the amount of territory claimed doesnt matter
its what they can police (seriously, if no one ever sees them, then how does what they claim matter?)
and its what others claim
at best, I see the vampires claiming some space that the skinwalkers have claimed, but thats it, everyone else is locked up inside the city itself. to me, the logic is, the city is meant to be crowded, and it is. the skinwalkers get the little bit of wild land left, and thats realistic.
though as a newbie, I am supprised that no one has laid claim to the area around the old gas station before the skinwalkers did. |
multiple people actually did lay claim to it. Im not sure who, but I recall seeing multiple changes to the furniture/personal effects . I dont know if those people went inactive or what. |
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| DaveDoowangle |
| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Fenris Skall wrote: |
FROM THE CITY RULES
Humanoid Avatars Only.
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This sim is about realisim. Please be respectful of that. We work very hard to try to achieve this. All characters are considered humanoid, unless they are a realistic animal (i.e. four legged, dogs and wolves etc - no talking animals). Avatars that do not fit the theme of this sim are not allowed.
To make it clear, this means: No Furries, No Dragons, No Cartoon Characters, No Demons, No Walking Fruit, etc. We work very hard to protect the quality of the RP here. Please respect that. Those who do not will find themselves booted from the sim. Avatars such as these, or any other that is deemed distracting from the RP experience of others will be asked to either change or leave.
Please understand that we have absolutely nothing against furries, dragons, demons etc, its just that we are striving to build a very specific RP environment and kindly ask those who wish to be a part of it to respect that fact.
This is how it currently exists. Jade and I had discussed it in the past and she shall be able to clarify the Beast Form Lycan rules, It was over looked in the city text as refering to Beast Form Lycans, but existed in "spirit" way before I took charge of the skin walkers FYI.
I've informed Jade of this post and she as the sim owner will be able to clarify this.
Thank you for your time. |
The furry avatar rule is not what Im concerned about. What I am concerned about is the claim that its a sim rule that "to roleplay as a lycan you must be a skinwalker". Does that mean the catwalkers can make the same claim? Can the bio-mechanoids lay claim to everyone with a mechanical part inside of them?
To me, this only sets a dangerous precedent of allowing people to stake out members before said members even make it to Midian. If someone wants to roleplay a werewolf with no allegiances, that should be allowed 100%. |
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| Drew Dwi |
| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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First part of rules say were not here to police your roleplay. As long as you are not disrupting the rp of others or doing something someone ooc is not content with, I don't see the big issue here? All that means is that your av is not allowed to disrupt the look of the city, and the rp that is going on inside it?
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| Jade Steele |
| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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The skin walkers (lycans) are the most secretive of all official factions. IC they only exist in city rumor, superstition and folklore … and in the half crazed ramblings of the occasional unfortunate soul who claims to have experienced such a beast, yet is lucky to be able to speak of the horror.
They lycans are an extraordinarily powerful group. And with extraordinary power there must be extraordinary restraint, lest the roleplay become heavily one sided and predictable. For this fact, as well as the fact that the sim is heavily geared towards realism, we do not want full lycans running down the streets, eating at the sushi bar, dancing in clubs, etc (all of this has happened and people have been ejected for refusal to comply). All of this minimizes the effect our lycan group has when it is the right time and place for them to be out, and messes up the suspension of disbelief in the same vain as when, say a 20 foot dragon walks down the street. In addition, allowing anyone to come in and run around as a lycan at whim undermines the group’s efforts to remain secret and mysterious, as well as the time, effort and money they have put in to outfitting numerous AVs for the role.
So while you may have an neko unassociated with a group and even once in a while the stray vampire (though they too have their own restraints in other ways), you will not find an unassociated lycan, the exception being those that are new to Midian City and are in the process of exploring and seeking out the group. But in time, we do expect them to respect our wishes join the lycan group so that the group can continue to police itself and hold true to the environment we are trying to create.
As with any group, when I’m asked by someone how they can join the lycans, I tell them to seek them out in roleplay. But with the lycans, many ask me, “But if the group is so secretive, how could I ever find them?” I never like to spoon feed things to people, but rather prefer to create a sense of mystery, something to be explored. But I will say that it is not as difficult as it sounds. Those who are serious about the role and use their creativity to play it out IC will quickly be noted. |
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| Christopher Vestel |
| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Just the way I read into it, that is force RP ya know. Thats what it would feel like to me. |
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| Jade Steele |
| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Its a standard. Standards are necessary to keep the RP at a certain level. Nobody is forced to RP as a skin walker. |
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| DaveDoowangle |
| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Christopher Vestel wrote: |
| Just the way I read into it, that is force RP ya know. Thats what it would feel like to me. |
I have to agree with chris on this one. Claiming free-form or open roleplay, then restricting a specific sub-set is counter-productive and even a bit hypocritical. To argue for realism in a land full of talking cats, goo vomiting little girls, vampires, and werewolves.... well it just doesnt make any sense.
with that said and my peace made.... Jade's name is on the lease, she pays the bills, and her word is law. |
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| Reinhardt Stenvaag |
| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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She called it a standard. I think that works very well
If something as powerful as lycans were allowed to run around unaligned, then there would be an influx of them, as people would feel free to be them. By keeping the race restricted like this, we can ensure that we dont end up with very powerful, but immature players who werent ready for that role.
I come from games of D&D that had similar rules regarding race selection. It worked well there to restrict races according to their powers, and yes, people complained that it wasnt fair. But they will complain even louder about fairness when they cant walk down the street without beign killed by swarms of lycans.
((honestly, I would love to play one. but likely wont because I dont think I could keep that level of secrecy at this time)) |
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| Chandra Meehan |
| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Reinhardt Stenvaag wrote: |
| If something as powerful as lycans were allowed to run around unaligned, then there would be an influx of them, as people would feel free to be them. By keeping the race restricted like this, we can ensure that we dont end up with very powerful, but immature players who werent ready for that role. |
Agreed!
Besides that, in general: see the endless discussions about the vampires! As one of them myself, I feel it is good to stick with the rules of the Nightbreed - after all they were made to clarify things and have NOT almighty-somethings wandering around. And I see same neccessity concerning the Lycans.
And it really is not that difficult to stick with some rules. Nobody is forced to play in Midian - so if one absolutely does not like to respect rules, I don't mind them not being there. And those that make the rules spend an aweful lot of time, experience and thought into them, so I would not dare to doubt them until I have experienced them not to be working.
Last but not least: Joining a faction also gives something to the play, and doesn't only restrict. Some things that happen, I would have never noticed without being part of the factions! So for me, it really enhances the RP!
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| Lindsay Noonan |
| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Reinhardt Stenvaag wrote: |
| ...But they will complain even louder about fairness when they cant walk down the street without beign killed by swarms of lycans... |
Truthfully a swarm of anything in Midian is a bad thing...and as a Catwalker I can tell you...they WILL complain...that's the nature of people interacting tho. Skinwalkers exist per Jade...good enough for me...now I just need to get my talons silvered...just in case 
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| Bromo33333 |
| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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I am relatively new to Midian (I play a character who is currently unaligned, an old, out of date cyborg from the War masquerading as a Priest), but I have the following opinion/list based upon the thread:
1. I think factions add more than they take away. And if I want to be more involved in Midian, I will seek one out (I have my eye on one faction, but will seek it out in RP, not here) since there is only so much "pick up" RP on offer without offending folks who are deep in their own plots and don't want wandering fake-Priests barging in!
2. I think having Lycans/Skinwalkers adds to mystique if they are talked about but hardly ever seen. I think Nightbreed lose something, actually, with the floaty titles, but since that is OOC it is certainly not general knowledge to IC passersby.
3. 25% of the SIM as a permakill zone? Even if it is wilder less populated areas, might be overkill (pun DEFINITELY INTENDED), but I think the reasons for it might be more for "realistic RP" and if the group is super mysterious their actual territory needs to be hidden. Perhaps, they only kill in a portion of it, and the signs should warn that these whole areas are dangerous in a permakill kinda way?
Well, I have been lurking here (and in Midian  ) ever since my character was marooned and beaten up by the Hounds during one of the Cruise ships  - and now I de-lurk and post!
[PS - If you guys see me in-Midian, feel free to introduce yourselves! I am always afraid of disrupting RP-story-arcs-in-progress in an unwelcome sorta way]
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| Chandra Meehan |
| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Bromo33333 wrote: |
| 2. I think having Lycans/Skinwalkers adds to mystique if they are talked about but hardly ever seen. I think Nightbreed lose something, actually, with the floaty titles, but since that is OOC it is certainly not general knowledge to IC passersby. |
Actually, that "mystic" is how it was supposed to be as well with the vampires. Officially, they are only a myth in Midian, and the Nightbreed is fighting for hiding their existense. Unfortunately there will always walk some new Vampires by that will have 'dinner' in the middle of the streets... ((probably as a result of RL-take-away-food??)) so people start talking about them again....
and actually, I would be surprised if the Lycans would not be recognized OOCly as well.... at least I already know of at least 3 of them OOCly... hehe.. also because of floating titles that they wear. additional, it has to be like this anyway, since Lycans and Vampires are enemies and will surely sense one another, kitties will recognize, cyborgs will scann... would be quite a pain to go OOCly through a full list of questions before starting a RP with somebody... ;-)
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| Kana Menges |
| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind, NO part of the sim is actualy a permakill zone.
permakill requires consent of the victim, and that includes the lycans
In but unlike with other people, the lycans have simplified it so NO one gets confused....
only people wearing a titler saying something to the effect of "Ok kill me" or "Maul me" or "Mate with me" will be interacted with. Anyone else is fully ignored by the lycans
Seems reasonable to me.. infact, if anything, it SEVERLY limits the lycans playability, rather than limiting anyone else. |
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