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| Kana Menges |
 Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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My only REAL concern.. is that 3rd party companies accross north america are historicly known to NOT be perfectly airtight with peoples private information.
If it were a government agency gathering and verifying this data, I would be all for it, as at least then, we could be sure the only people with the data, already HAD the data to begin with.
Myself, I'm canadian. As it is, anything I do online (like paypal for example) takes me at least 5 days longer than my american counterparts. Likely this verification will be the same hassle. Which is a pain in the ass since this is already my 3rd character/account.
Further, I have no license, and no passport. Thankfully, here in Canada, we have photo ID healthcards, but I get the feeling those wont be a viable option. Frankly, I do NOT feel comfortable giving out my Social Insurance number (canadas version of the SSN) over the internet. Be it through SL's browser to a 3rd party company (as if anyone believes SL is secure?) or directly to teh 3rd party company (which means MORE delays as the companies work back and forth on the MANY people verifying thanks to SLs choice)
Honestly.. I say again. The idea is good. The ONLY real problem is the implimentation.
Isnt there an other option regarding age verification? Is this really the ONLY way it can be done? |
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| Oceania Goodliffe |
| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Sure there is always the option of making us snail mail copies of ID to them ... but with the Postal Service, Midian may be dead for weeks
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| Golyth Carillon |
| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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*coughs* Had my age verified the first time I got a ticket for driving while under the influence HEHE! *coughs again* Umm most of the people complaining are those who's business will be hurt because they feel it's poor judgement to add this now after so much has been put forth for thier "company" as it were.
I don't really care considering they are still allowing places to label themselves as "Mature".
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| Samantha Han |
| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I'll probably get zinged for saying this...but I like the idea. If it reduces the concurrency of SL by 25 percent...then yippee! I've got a premium account, a paid-up alt, and if I have to spend 20 Lindens to verify them, I won't weep over the few US pennies it will cost.
If it helps reduce database load, griefing, and age violations, I'm fine with that.
I've heard doomsaying screeching come from so many quarters concerning SL, that it's just an annoying background noise, now. For some reason, I seriously doubt the age verification scheme will cripple the SL experience, much less cause it's demise.
If this is the price LL decideds to exact for creating this place, then so be it. It's their world...they just let me play in it. |
that may work for you, Archer, but some of us remember everyone having to get new passwords when the SL Data back-end was compromised.
people like their privacy. they like Sl because they can be themselves without having to be themselves. I know people who play female alts because they do not like the fact that society makes them so pressured by their status, as only son, or eldest son, that they go to SL, as a woman, to escape having to be that, if only for a bit.
what guarantee does LL give that all this data will be safe, when they can't keep script kiddies from nuking Linden City Hall, or the Reuters offices in SL?... I don't like the idea of more people than needed having my information.
Samantha Han, Signing off.... |
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| Sekai Axon |
| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks like I'll probably be gone as well, I can do it all, no problem, but I don't have no freakin lindens to spend on what should be free. |
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| Adanu |
| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:39 am Post subject: |
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I am VERY split on this issue... and quite frankly, as much as I can see both sides of the fence on this issue, one side needs to get their heads out of their ass, while the other should learn that not everyone sees it like they do.
This whole situation should have been seen by most as coming when the ageplay thing came up. They finally caved into the pressure about that. Now they are taking it one step further. Who is to say they won't take it even further after? lets face it, this is a GAME, and they will have PERSONALLY identifying information on you after this. Some of us come here to escape reality, and to act out what we really want rather then just what society wants of us. This opens the floodgate for a whole other list of problems and issues... what to stop this company from verifying and STORING you personal information then using that to spy on you and 'label' you as 'deviant' in real society? Paranoid? You bet. Take a look aty the patriot act and guantamemo and tell me with a straight face it isn't possible, just added on is the FACT that the company that they are going to for this quite possibly is on record and PROUD that they sell their PERSONAL IDENTITY information to the GOVERNMENT.
it is one thing to know a persons identity... and I have no prblem with that, honestly, but it's QUITE another when that identity can be linked to deviant behavior and whatnot from a game. Two consenting adults were INVESTIGATED from RL then banned for it, so you cannot say it can't happen. RL law coming into SL will be the death of this game, and they are allowing it first step through this. |
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| Bromo33333 |
| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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"Two consenting adults were INVESTIGATED from RL then banned for it,"
This was done without this new verification system in place. And they were also turned over to the authorities.
Don't think for a minute that any "deviant" behavior can't be traced back to you today. It can - your IP address is known by LL and if someone wants to "spy" on you - they could know which house in RL it comes from pretty quickly.
Real and true confidentiality and privacy in SL is as much an illusion as it is on the Internet. Sometimes less so.
This ID verification is a step closer to making it trivially easy, but your privacy about any "deviant" fantasies (if you have any) was never really there.
This will protect LL from complications arising from underage people sneaking into SL, and that is it.
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| Oceania Goodliffe |
| Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Chandra Meehan |
| Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Craven Umarov |
| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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The problem I see is the third party company in north america, not that I would say our european laws protect our privacy...
Just as an example, I was doing freelance work for a german ISP and a friend asked me if I can get him a broadband account. He had an email adress at work to recieve emails and I used that adress to get him signed up. the small town he lives in has no broadband access at all and the process was cancelled, but from that day I signed him up, he recieves spam emails, he never had that problem before. I won't say that this is caused by the ISP, but it truly is suspicious.
As you can see, not even when the laws protect your data, it is just not possible to have any privacy on the web.
About the age verification, I like the idea of doing something against underage players, even if they need a confirmation in form of your ID, and 20L$ isn't much, but I can't support it aslong as it is made up this way.
This is just killing SL, but hey, the discussions about Voice have showed that every female avatar without voice is a male RL, correct?
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| Belial |
| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone mind clarifying what's going to happen? I believe I've read all of the posts involved, but I get the impression you all have had some information that I haven't seen?
If I'm wasting my time building a character in Midian, because of some ridiculous verification system coming soon, PLEASE tell me? |
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| Quidos |
| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't worry about it, Belial. This thread was made ages ago, and they haven't done anything about it since.
Linden Labs knows they will love have their playing population if they do something like this, and even they aren't that foolish. |
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