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| Chug Dynamo |
 Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: Thanks Lindens(!) |
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It looks like thanks to the new ID verification system I'll have to leave Midian and SL in general when it comes into place. For those of you who haven't read it, they now will make you verify your age by putting in personal details from an ID card, passport or driver's license and best of all you have to pay for it apparently a large sum if you're not premium! For starters I don't have any of the things mentioned above, and I don't really want to give my personal details to a third-party company, even one like SL.
I hate to say it, but it looks like Jack's going to die in a few days. Anyone else gonna have to go?  |
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| Chandra Meehan |
| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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oh great... I am not sure what this will mean now for Chandra - less because I don't have passport or driver's license but more because I don't like the idea of giving THIS kind of data to just ANYbody.
At least in Europe, there is a big issue about the protection of personal data, the use of it and all such. Unfortunately, the US does not have this strong kind of protection of personal data - no matter what you guys tell me now, there IS a major lack of it. And even worse, Europe is loosening those laws as well for the sake of 'protection of terrorism'. ((sorry, don't want to start a political thread now)). I am afraid that once given, you have no guarantee anymore what will happen with the data - and actually: 5.000.000 registered users are really an aweful lot of gathered data! So that is the point that worries me. will have to see how that will end and which decision I will make.
In any case: I enjoyed the time with all of you very much so far, and hope it will go on...
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| Chance Pennell |
| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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I started a group against the Age Verification Thing The groups called SL'ers against Age Verification
Open Enrollment.
This is our Mission Statement.
This group is vehemently against the way "Age Verification in SL" is supposed to be enforced..
**The group is NOT against the protection of minors!**
Age Verification must not be done by 'paying money for it' and 'revealing every kind of personal data' such as passport/ID/driver's license! We see a problem in the protection of this data, after all: 5.000.000 registered users of SL are really an aweful lot of gathered information!
Viva La Resistance!
Protect Our Rights - Protect Our Privacy |
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| Kana Menges |
| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I am pimping the group out.
Everywhere I can, everyone I know, will hear of it from me.
I am not normally an activist. I normally find them silly little creatures.
But I have no identification that would be accepted. No passport, no license, no ID I would be willing to give out over the internet regardless of how much encryption they put on it.
ALSO
I have found a petition going around.
Below are the details on it.
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http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/05/04/age-and-indentity-verification-in-second-life/
If you would like to sign my petition against the proposed age verefication thing, please make a NEW NOTECARD so that they can see it was made by /you/ and not me, title the notecard - 'Signed, -your full SL name here-' and in the notecard write either, your dissaproval of the matter and what you dislike about it or 'I do not approve of this age verification system you are proposing. We would like it stopped. '
Send your cards to Sakito Nakamichi |
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| Golyth Carillon |
| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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/rant on It looks to me like alot of people are happy about this. I for one am angered by it. It should be the land owners choice as to what is and isn't considered "Adult" in content. Granted Midian is an "adult" RP sim but still just because LL can't keep thier own system in check shouldn't be a good enough excuse to deploy this new one. I for one will not be providing my LIC number or anything other than that. If they can't pull Age Verification off the fact I have a Credit Card, which by the way you can't have till your 18 unless you get "mommy or daddy" to buy you something, then what's the point of even using the system. Why not have people use PayPal or BidPay or hell even a phone bill....oh wait you have to be 18 to even be able to use those systems too... /rant off
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| Marie Lawson |
| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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On that note, as soon as I get my net....I'm dead...
It has been a pleasure, take care and farewell
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Oh by the way, I am 23 and I DO NOT HAVE A VALID CREDIT CARD, PASSPORT OR EVEN A DRIVERS LICENSE.... This is absolute f***ing bulls***
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| Valo_Vanmoer |
| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Marie Lawson wrote: |
On that note, as soon as I get my net....I'm dead...
It has been a pleasure, take care and farewell |
That seems to be the case for me too. I hope that the petition to stop goes ahead and this idea gets shot down.
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| Chug Dynamo |
| Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| With all the people saying they're leaving, they must pull out. This is stupid and an invasion on privacy. |
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| Kensu Janus |
| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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See, here's the thing: If enough people are against this, the Lindens could have a very hard time enforcing it.
There's no way that everyone can prove their age by sending in some form of ID, and there's no way that everyone's willing to do that even if they can. I haven't heard the full story... Like whether they're limiting access or killing accounts which can't prove their identity... But either way, it's not going to work as planned.
If they're eliminating accounts that can't send in ID, they'll be completely obliterating the population of SL, essentially putting their program out of the business it's worked so hard to create and advertise. From what I'm reading, this doesn't seem to be the case, though, so it's irrelevant.
If they're only limiting the access of peoples' accounts, which is what it appears to be, some people will likely quit, and others who own property might simply adjust their societies to ones that are accessible by the limited accounts by claiming there's no mature content involved, even if there is. Though this may cause their property to get shut down, I think if enough people do this, the Lindens will get the message. Midian would probably fall into this category if none of its users can get to it.
Even if minors get into things that they couldn't get to before, only the Lindens are to blame for forcing the users into this situation. Either they'll have to get rid of this verification thing, or SL will probably become family friendly for the most part because they'll be shutting down any place that has mature content but no mature tag. I don't think they'd alienate their userbase like this. I can see why they'd want to keep minors out of the 18 and up SL, but this is not the way to do it. It makes more sense just to take the user's word for it, as they've done up until this point.
Basically, I can see this administrative move causing chaos in SL. These are just my thoughts, though. And I'm tired, so I don't know how strong my logic sounds. |
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| Kana Menges |
| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, the concept behind the idea is good and noble. But unfortunately there is no way to impliment it that wont cause chaos and never ending problems for LL.
Yes, PayPal or credit card use is a great way of prehaps not verifying adulthood, BUT children are most definately less likely to use these methods than adults.
On the flip side, I know for a fact that if a 16 year old REALLY wants to pretend they are 19, its possible to pull it off. I did. By that logic I would be 28 now instead of 25. A service like what LL wants to introduce would stop that. It would also cut out at LEAST one full quarter of its citizens, likely much much more. Yes, this method is the BEST way to enforce the ideal of protecting minors not only from the world but from themselves as well, unfortunately this is the worst possible business move LL could made.
And besides.. being 16... pretending to be 19 and getting into years of kinky, adult oriented VTM rp never damaged me any. I am a perfectly fine, healthy, well adjusted individual who plays in Midian.
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| ArcherBraun |
| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I'll probably get zinged for saying this...but I like the idea. If it reduces the concurrency of SL by 25 percent...then yippee! I've got a premium account, a paid-up alt, and if I have to spend 20 Lindens to verify them, I won't weep over the few US pennies it will cost.
If it helps reduce database load, griefing, and age violations, I'm fine with that.
I've heard doomsaying screeching come from so many quarters concerning SL, that it's just an annoying background noise, now. For some reason, I seriously doubt the age verification scheme will cripple the SL experience, much less cause it's demise.
If this is the price LL decideds to exact for creating this place, then so be it. It's their world...they just let me play in it.
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| Alex Qinan |
| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Golyth Carillon wrote: |
| If they can't pull Age Verification off the fact I have a Credit Card, which by the way you can't have till your 18 unless you get "mommy or daddy" to buy you something, then what's the point of even using the system. Why not have people use PayPal or BidPay or hell even a phone bill....oh wait you have to be 18 to even be able to use those systems too... /rant off |
While this may be the way it works in the US... things are different in quite a number of European nations, where international credit cards are obtainable before 18.
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| Kana Menges |
| Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Archer... while I disagree on your points, you worded it all well and had the balls to say it, so kudos.
And you summed up, what in the end, is the final answer to this situation.
"If this is the price LL decideds to exact for creating this place, then so be it. It's their world...they just let me play in it."
And we need to remember that. We cant DEMAND anything from LL. As LL's customers, all we can do is tell them what we would like. But in the end, its their decision regardless of what people want. |
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| Atmlady Alcott |
| Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: AGE VERIFICATION |
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| Hey, I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with it. As a matter of fact, they should have done it sooner. Sadly, many will consider this a "freedom issue" but what they fail to grasp is that freedom is only achieved when their are boundries and rules in place. If there are no means of correction to a person or consequences for what someone does, that doesnt make you free, it makes you a slave to your own thoughts and deeds. We need to learn that the greatest gifts of life are those bestowed upon us by the thoughts and actions of others. Freedom is NOT an individual act. They can easily, securely and safely verify age.It has been done for YEARS. OH, and if anybody cares, my age is 50, so I got a few more miles down the road then most of you and speak from experience, not emotion. |
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| Oceania Goodliffe |
| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Age verification has been done on the web for many years with third party companies. Personally I had my age verified years ago. Unfortunately not with the same company.
LL did use credit cards as a way of verifying age previously but they are no longer allowed to be used in that manner.
I find it amazing that the majority of people I hear complaining about it are early 20's. Either we have a lot of paranoid youngsters in society or quite a few underage people in Midian.
Personally, I have no problem with it even if they do give the information to the government ... the government already knows me ... I have a social security number, drivers license and passport ... what are they gonna learn new ... I participate in an adult oriented game as a vampyre?
Come on people we are here for fun relax and enjoy life.
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