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| nekodui |
 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: Turning Japanese... (or in this case, Neko) |
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Dear Abby,
Is it just me, or does anyone else have issues with people being 'turned' into nekos. I guess given that they're imaginary to begin with, I can't really say that DNA doesn't work that way, but I'm just unable to get past this 'magic conversion' that happens. Like nanites, it's just a little too convenient for my tastes. Duct taping on a tail does not make one a cat.
Does this mean I don't want any new nekos? Not at all... But if you feel you must, and don't want to rebuy or replace all the gear you have for a new av, what's wrong with making your existing av into a new character? Titlers are free, after all.
What's YOUR take?
-- confused with whiskers,
Midian City
edited... changed 'i'm just able to get past' to 'i'm just NOT able to get past'. OOops!
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| Artika |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Does it happen a lot? I've never known anyone who has done that that I can remember at least. |
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| MarkkoOndricek |
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| nekodui |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Artika wrote: |
| Does it happen a lot? I've never known anyone who has done that that I can remember at least. |
It's happened enough, though as a catwalker, I'm probably more aware of it than you. I get to see it when people want to join the faction that have been playing as humans and got bored. Suddenly, it becomes known that they had cat genes all along, or got bit, or had a DNA transfusion, or whatever so they could justify acceptance.
I'm willing to welcome anyone into the CW that is willing to play well with others and not make an OOC ass out of themselfs as a habit... I'm just having a problem reconciling the 'instant neko' bit and asking for some discussion here. Honestly, the same applies to any 'sudden and radical transformation' of a character, neko or not.. is it that hard to come up with a new bio and name? It's somewhat akin to our diehard anarchist Aegy deciding she's fit to command the legion and just showing up on the door expecting them to welcome her with open arms.
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| MarkkoOndricek |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I have seen the instant shifts as well, kind of annoying, especially when it destroys anything IC that was built up. I won't mention names of course, they know who they are.
To make the matter worse one instance was a multiple change and then change back, never knew why or what or anything, it just sort of happened, not even a trip to see Dr. Michael.
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| J8 Skall |
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Abby? That a character, or cultural reference or what? - I'm confused
I would like to see all races, nekos, mechs, vampires etc have some little devices that define them in terms of their thought processes, idiosyncasies(sp?) and philosophy. As it is a neko is a human with ears, or a 'feral' cat, a vampire is a human with teeth, a mech has metal parts... You get the picture.
I'm not sure the DNA would alter the mind hugely, maybe making them more tribal, but certainly how a neko would have been treated throughout life would effect it, how would over people view the mutation, would is disadvantage them, would they be resentful or low on self confidence, aggressive or shy?
Really I don't mind if people change, why their char would want to is a different matter. But any change shouldnt be done autioomatically in 2 minutes, it would be a hugely complex procedure (think separations on siamese twins complex), and would have an almost indescribable psychological effect on the body (I mean, people currently reject skin grafts and limb/appendage transplants...becoming a cat/human is pretty major). You'd also have to learn to balance again - human's use ears, cats use whiskers with the aid of the tail.
So I'd say yes, it can be done, but shouldn't be a cheap, 2 minute procedue involving nanites and some bit CAT scan machine (ironic eh?), but rather a massivly challeneging bit of roleplay for all involved. Afterall. its the person's character, it should be an option, but not an easy one IC.
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| Satomi Ashbourne |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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"Dear Abby" is a very popular advice column in the United States.
As far as transformations - I did it, but it was in furtherance of an RP plot, not my idea, and not with Satomi's IC consent, so I'd say it was legitimate.
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| MarkkoOndricek |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting take Jay, I thought I was the only one who saw the different types of people in Midian to just be altered humans, because that is basically what they are, not a race, at least in my view. Whether that alteration is from genetic change, a virus, an affliction, or some funky fluid exchange.
I definately agree with having the body's adapation and acclimation to the change a part of RP. Mentally, emotionally and physically. There are so many things that could happen.
An example being; After several months of an eyepatch I decided to get Markko a replacement, slight upgrade as well. In the acclimation period, that replacement eye rarely even worked, it wouldn't turn on or show anything when it was on. it would sputter and stop, erratic adjustments and movements to things. And during that time it was hidden behind the patch as well. It was quite a while till he decided to expose it, even played it off as a failed attempt at replacement as well.
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I also should mention that I had Rin Rin toil for a bout a month fabricating the replacement for Markko as well, no miraculas shipment from the mainland. In addition to that, there was also a nasty and very painful surgery preformed that had to be healed from.
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As for Dr. Michael's machine, built by Charles, nice build btw. It is a very interesting process, it takes a bit of time, but some RP to go along with it makes it much more fluid, additions of serums, and transfusions and such, perhaps a bit of radiation. But both times in its use by Dr. Michael they have been well planned and executed, but its BYOP (bring your own parts.)
But the Rp after the adjustment is up to the afflicted individual, which should also be just as planned.
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| Rin Tae |
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I consider it to be a very difficult and dangerous process so I would not do it ICly wihtout a good reason. It´s something more then changing clothes and after all the stress it would cuase to the body, it would be even more dangerous to change someone back .. or into something else.
But thats not the problem I think.
The problem is, that someone who was changed would need to learn all the new abilities and problems connected to this new form. Nothing is there automatically since the mind .. the thought process ... is still one working in the ways of the former form. It would need to adopt to it and get through the long and painfull way of learning a complete new way of thinking and acting.
Also the shock when someone was changed without agreement would need to be taken into account.
But this discussion is the same like with technology, smuggeling or weapons. You have those willing to play such things and thinking about the possibilities and IC dangers of such RP plots ... and those who decides that beeing a Neko might be fun and go the ´I was on a daily trip to the mainland and was suddenly totally transformed´ way.
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| ghandi |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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As one of the said transformed nekos, it wasn't an instant thing. Ghandi basically ended up being kidnapped and experimented on for about a month. Now I generally only play Ghandi with slight neko mannerisms, but that's only from hanging around as many of the CWs as he has. Bound to pick stuff that everyone else is doing.
It was a fun process and what was even more fun was that period of time when hiding from those characters known before, even hiding under a different alias to try to keep is secret that he had been a victim. And it has been something of a source of conflict for some time about whether he should join the CWs because he knows that while he looks like them and he's close to a number of them, he only looks like one. But I'm not aware of any others that went and switched up like that.
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| Liliane |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| MarkkoOndricek wrote: |
| I think a trip to see Dr. Michael McCarthy can solve that issue, he is quite crafty with his machines. |
*chitters quietly....then runs after a piece of tin foil*
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| nekodui wrote: |
| It's somewhat akin to our diehard anarchist Aegy deciding she's fit to command the legion and just showing up on the door expecting them to welcome her with open arms. |
*Lifts her combat helmet as her stolen M4 clatters to the ground with sever look of dissappointment, bottom lip quivering*  ......you mean the they they don't want me!!!? 
I think both times Dr. M went to work, it reversed itself too, which would be more akin to real life, a surgery like that might very well reverse itself or be rejected by one's body eventually.
I'm not sure what to think on this issue, if there is a legit IC developed reason for it, it's prolly kewl, but to do it just because you are bored or to catch the latest trend is poor RP.
*tosses a shiny into the sewer for Lil* Go get it girl! ;P
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| rena mayne |
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| MarkkoOndricek wrote: |
| I think a trip to see Dr. Michael McCarthy can solve that issue, he is quite crafty with his machines. |
Both times Dr. McCarthy's machine was used though, it was an involuntary change that was later rectified, once but a trip to Asaghi and the second...that was a special case and I'm not sure how the chitter was removed. heh
Being a neko who lost her neko ears and tail, part of the process there was learning to adjust or throw in some character flaws. Like, with no tail, Rena's got balance issues and tends to fall frequently when she tries to jump. The lose of the protective ear flaps made her hearing even more sensative and she has trouble with the direction sound comes from. Since only the ear flap was removed, I figured she'd logically still have her cat hearing.
Figuring that stuff out and rping was a fun part of the story. I'd think, adjusting to being a cat (or mouse (or ferret (or coyote))) and rping out those adjustments would be a lot like adjusting to being a vamp or a mech if you started out human.
Then there are philosohical type questions, like...are they really nekos? Or just genetically altered humans who LOOK like nekos. And would REAL nekos accept them. What kind of baises would there be in the Neko community between full nekos, hybrid nekos, and genetically manifulated human-nekos?
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| Chandra Meehan |
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Oh god you EXACTLY hit the target! and a sore spot when it comes to this issue. *deep breath....*
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| Does it happen a lot? I've never known anyone who has done that that I can remember at least. |
It's happened enough, though as a catwalker, I'm probably more aware of it than you. I get to see it when people want to join the faction that have been playing as humans and got bored. Suddenly, it becomes known that they had cat genes all along, or got bit, or had a DNA transfusion, or whatever so they could justify acceptance. |
It sounds to me like the VERY same problem we have with people turning Vampire suddenly by some NPC or automatically to make their char bigger-better-stronger, more invincible and cool or something...
| J8 Skall wrote: |
| I would like to see all races, nekos, mechs, vampires etc have some little devices that define them in terms of their thought processes, idiosyncasies(sp?) and philosophy. As it is a neko is a human with ears, or a 'feral' cat, a vampire is a human with teeth, a mech has metal parts... You get the picture. |
| MarkkoOndricek wrote: |
| Interesting take Jay, I thought I was the only one who saw the different types of people in Midian to just be altered humans, because that is basically what they are, not a race, at least in my view. Whether that alteration is from genetic change, a virus, an affliction, or some funky fluid exchange. |
And I'll sign that fullheartedly. Since I can't speak for the nekos or mechs, I have to for the vamps at least: Don't ask how many people of those claiming they want to play a "vampire" really only want to play a 'superhuman' or a 'kinky-sex-kinda-blood-drinking fetish'. It shows pretty quickly just by the questions they ask when it comes to speaking about this type of character. And it is a REAL task to try establishing a darker atmosphere in the sim if people stop to ROLEPLAY more and more but only see Midian as a chatroom where they play themselves chatting to their friends. - okay, I know this statement will raise tempers, but facing it honestly, there is quite the danger of it turning to that if people don't start to find back to the roots of the individual races.
I still haven't figured out yet why this odd 'trend' occurs... maybe people are not interested in investing time in putting some thought into the backgrounds of a race, they follow 'flavors of the month' (or their current favorite friends) till it is boring again. Or maybe they are just not honest to themselves, who knows. (Meaning even though I think MPD or the Legion have some excellent RPers that I very much enjoy talking to OOC, I am just honest to myself in terms of my own abilities. I don't know shit about weapons, I don't care to learn about them either, and even less want to wear a uniform. Hence why I don't RP that sort of character but one that I am actually able to play.
As mentioned at another spot in the forum: IC actions cause IC re-actions. If suddenly my favorite RP-partner turnes into a Lycan, that will simply mean Chandra will cut down all contacts. Not because I don't like them anymore, but because it is one thing Chandra fears. Same if the other friend becomes a hightech biomech robot. She will avoid them in future to keep her nature secret. Why? because with everybody changing constantly, and if I adjusted to all those changes of her 'friends' it would mean in the end there is nothing left anymore that defines her character and race, she would be super-knowing and fearless-of-everything and have access to every secret in the city. (and that sounds like some super-moded character to me)
Anyway. To go back to the topic: Of course in a year there is a lot happening, but I have decided for myself Chandra will just STAY suspicious of every biomech and if possible leave an area if one shows up, she will not be all cuddely with cats and tell them 'um listen... I'm a vampire' and for all Lycans she will DEFINITELY avoid them whenever possible (and I know this all cuts back on my ability to RP with these characters but I devoted my RP to a certain race hence I need to go with it - plus since all of them have alts anyway or I engage into scenes with them as NPC, it's not that I can't play with the people.) Beyond that I don't want fingers pointed at me for miraculously aging her to an agent vampire or stuff like that, so all that happens develops IC and I just have to use my brain to play things into a direction that I would like to see her ending up.
| J8 Skall wrote: |
| So I'd say yes, it can be done, but shouldn't be a cheap, 2 minute procedue involving nanites and some bit CAT scan machine (ironic eh?), but rather a massivly challeneging bit of roleplay for all involved. Afterall. its the person's character, it should be an option, but not an easy one IC. |
| MarkkoOndricek wrote: |
I definately agree with having the body's adapation and acclimation to the change a part of RP. Mentally, emotionally and physically. There are so many things that could happen.
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A character can change, yes. And it was done in the past a lot before instant-change became a trend. We have Factions that would offer this sort of thing, forced or voluntary, really it could be set up any way with just one OOC IM to the factionleader. And if people would stop autoing everything and stop being impatient about haveing things done in 1 day, then these factions would be active again as well. (thinking about Ashagi/Chimera in particular)
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I consider it to be a very difficult and dangerous process so I would not do it ICly wihtout a good reason. It´s something more then changing clothes and after all the stress it would cuase to the body, it would be even more dangerous to change someone back .. or into something else.
But thats not the problem I think.
The problem is, that someone who was changed would need to learn all the new abilities and problems connected to this new form. Nothing is there automatically since the mind .. the thought process ... is still one working in the ways of the former form. It would need to adopt to it and get through the long and painfull way of learning a complete new way of thinking and acting.
Also the shock when someone was changed without agreement would need to be taken into account. |
And I think that post brings us exactly to the source of the problem... People need to think again in terms of 'storylines' and not 'moods'.
At least speaking for myself: I can't take characters serious that changed from mouse to neko to human to vampire and when that failed had themselves cloned again with the DNA that was there from the human change to be then a human that was bit by a werewolf and made a biomech then to safe them from the transformation at fullmoon. Erm... yes. I think you all got my point. - if somebody is unsure of what to play, use the NPC option, use temporary alt-characters (all it needs is a fliptitle) and see for yourself, but don't create 'all-knowing everythings'
Please everybody... just be resonable.. And thanks in advance for taking time to eventually think about it.
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| nekodui |
| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Rin Tae wrote: |
| People are different and we can ony encurage good RP. Not forcing it on them. |
Yep. 100% with you there. I brought this up because I feel like I'm forced to go along with it sometimes, when it's not what I believe.
Midian is a collaborative story, and while we each write our own chapters, there needs to be some consensus on what the "rules" are for our universe. Not rules like Jade makes, mind you, but more like the ones we set collectively. If the general consensus is, "yeah, you can change into a neko, but it'd take three months", I'll go along. I don't want to be right here. I want to know what the group thinks so I can write Dui's reaction to this accordingly WITHOUT being accused of forcing MY ideas on someone. |
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