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| Anais LeShelle |
 Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: why not faction-wars? |
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i know, i know.... old topic i guess and im mostly posting this coz im bored and have been pondering the topic, not because i would WANT faction wars or something, im just generally wondering...
why are there hardly any...im not talking about shooting peoples heads off as soon as they peek around a corner (due to lag and rezzing issues that would be really nasty lol) but i mean...
from MY subjective point of view we have so many factions that GENERALLY oppose each other.say for funs sake, the sarcina and the hounds...generally they should (by definition in the notecards you get in the entrance area, not really be on speaking terms)...and yet...we get along just fine it seems...or the uac and the rest of the world...you have your own personal feuds with people...(and im including myself here) but where did the old capulet-montague or jets/shark (for the girls who like west side story just as much as i do ;-) ) conflicts go? i mean ok your a member o hounds? im a member of the sarcina? so conclusion -> i should hate you... but then again its all back to personal feuds or whoever you are shaggin these days (as i said including myself here: am sarcina, have hounds friends).
obviously im talking just from my angle here and its not like its a serious issue, i was just wondering on other peoples thoughts on this....is it coz we shag too much with other factions? i mean the romeo-juliet angle didnt come out from nowhere and we have many factions that should oppose each other. maybe its coz i dont have so much of an inlook into how other factions work or something... it may just be me not being into things so much with other factions....is it similar with other people? does anyone else have those feelings? i remember when i was in the cw: ana was good friends with a cop and had a relationship with a recognized vampire and got kicked out for that...cops usually had a hard time around cw those days....is that still the case? or did we all go soft? ;-))
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| Perp K. |
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As a Pack member, who happens to be engaged to, and have a daughter with, a CatWalker...i happen to enjoy the truce the two have.. As for the rest, while there's not a 'war' to speak of, there is a general distaste/disdain for the opposing factions, it just may not present itself in such a manner as we would all like at times, lest this place become the next Toxia... Don't fret, little one...bigger things are coming....
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| Anais LeShelle |
| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Perp K. wrote: |
| Don't fret, little one...bigger things are coming.... |
oh joy! thanx so much for telling me that! i would never have guessed ;-)
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| Perp K. |
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| Anais LeShelle |
| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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*head twists this way and that...she hates fuzzy purple beds, the only one whos allowed to purple is her boss and thats only coz she likes her...the tip of her tongue accidentally knicks at her canines, she laps it up, her knives dont need sharpening, they have been sharpened enough on that cyborgs kitty bones. she bleaks her teeth in a very unhuman and more kittylike,cheetahlike, gesture surely can mean nothing else but: im ready for the hunt!'*
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| Perp K. |
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| ghandi |
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| Chandra Meehan |
| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: why not faction-wars? |
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| Anais LeShelle wrote: |
| but then again its all back to personal feuds or whoever you are shaggin these days |
Yeah I think you hit the point exactly.
So besides that I can only speak for myself and give some thoughts on the issue speaking as a factionleader. I have discussed the possibility of a faction war with the breed, and the reasons for us to not join/agree on one at this point of time are - besides our own storylines that we would like to finish - the following:
a) as long as people have flamethrowers in their backpocket and think it normal, and all the other 'fancy extinction weapons', and at the same time declare them being immune to all mentral tricks of vampires it is not in the interest of any player of our faction to enter a war. I don't know any vampire discipline called "instant death" which would equal some of those weapons pointed at us without OOCly asked before. So there'd be no way to survive it when trying to NOT godmode survival.
b) It's no fun to play war as long as the combatants don't understand the rules of it. Like... you fight somebody and get a revange, but not 20 of them by every single one you cross paths with and their current 'shagging partners' included. A 'real' faction war needs to be structured and well guided by the Factionleaders/Gamemasters - it's a lot of time and thought to be put in to have it be fun for all, so it also means people need to learn follow 'orders' they were given IC.
c) Seems many think Midian is a game that you can 'win' or 'loose' but fail to see storytelling behind it - or worse: think fucking alone is RP. ;-P So as long as people play the 'win game' and everybody is superfast, superresilient, superimmune, supereverything - and even argue OOCly about who is the stronger and faster about it - there's no war gonna happen at least not with me.
d) And last: as long as people feel OOCly offended if other characters would for IC reasons not even look at them, there is no point in even THINKING about fighting, god knows what that would cause... *one might hear the slight sarcasm in the last sentence* So number one rule always and it really can't be repeated often enough: Respect and maturity OOC, pure roleplay without emo-mixes IC.
((actually, most of these issues have been addressed in countless threads all over the forum just by other people in other words))
Conclusion: Everything I stated before is of course subject to change, but unchanged is the fact that as it is a faction-effecting-RP, it also needs to be something the faction really wants to play and enjoys playing. Obviously from faction to faction this is going to be different. I would in general suggest for those being factionmembers who think it is a good idea to have a war, talk about it with your factionleaders - but not only 'Hey why don't we have a war' but present them a bit of an idea behind it.
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| J8 Skall |
| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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... Because people can't switch off the RL part of their brain that says overt conflict is bad,but its okay if it's OOC bitching.
People are simply scared of it, scared of it going ooc, of them 'losing', etc and would much prefer to play something more akin to sims, but with guns and neko ears and pretending your hard.
The reason the vampires don't fight isn't flame throwers, thats a ganeral godmoding problem, not anyting specific... It's simply that they arent a gang of fighters, and rely overly on disaplines, with very little recourse for mortal warfare, only Niko, Nenraa and Kaz are the fighters I can see, and that isn't condusive to any kind of open conflict.
theres also the masquerade problems, so people cant say "We are at war with the Nightbreed vampires", they instead have to say "we are at war with those upper class art collecting types". It doesn't sound as cool, and there few people with the masq knowledge to take them on, Jay, Bones and the lycans perhaps, and of those only the lycans have the numbers.
Likewise noone clashes over turf, or any resource, as each gang is so wildly different they have no contemporaries to rival, so they all strike deals and get along.
And yeah, people play sex and happy familes too much, hell I'm a notorious rapist, apaprently, and have roleplayed sex once in 3 months, and that was with my partner... Now I'm not sayign roleplaying lots of sex is bad, its a personal preference of mine not to, unless the partner is an amazing emoter or attarctive char to Jay, I get bored. BUT - People's priority whoulgnt be the next fuck, at the expense of good roleplay, which I actually find more fun...
Really thouygh, in short, eveyrthing goes OOC too quickly and easily to make conflict attractive...
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| Shilandar Deledda |
| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Really can't add much more than Chandra did in this one. People are just too whiny and over-emo over their characters, as well as too obsessed with 'victory'. Every faction has them, no exceptions. Whether they are the majority or minority is simply a matter of the people congregating around their own 'type' of player. <-- Godmoders attract other godmoders. Whiners likewise. ;P
The simple truth is with all the cross-fucking/marriage/friendships between leaders and higher ups left and right, not a lot want a war because it would introduce stress into those relationships. Now some don't mind it, and others may welcome it, but it only takes one leader to say 'Nuh uh' OOC and the idea is scrapped. It just introduces a great deal of hassle. Now, these kinds of battles on large scales CAN work... but as Chandra said the leaders have to work together OOC to plan them out, the characters IC and OOC have to actually follow instructions, and NOT metagame. The more people involved however, the harder each of these aspects is to control. In the end, it's just less headache for skirmishes to take place. Not saying those skirmishes can't lead to more.... just have to control the events OOCly so they don't spin out of control.
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| Debra Charron |
| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Anias, having fought this particular battle myself.......I can sympathise.
The others have kinda covered it.......the various alliances make it hard to stage a good war...but its not un-doable. Just be prepared to do a LOT of OOC wrangling to set it up.
I hate to say it, but I finally noticed the flat spot in my forehead from beating on that particular wall and decided to "attack in a different direction".
I wish you luck, and if I can help - please PM me.
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| Charles Noble |
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There are no physical resources to fight over who owns the Twilight Zone dosn't really matter it's just a building on the beach front it has no stratigic value, neither do any other bars or clubs or locations. As all the HQ's and turfs have absolutely no stratigic value to anyone other than market value then theres going to be no turf war cuz hey.. You can't get the market value for a building by simply gang fighting your way in.
Example someone comes into my bar shoots me dead, do they own it? Nope. Cuz my character has a will and a solicitor off island who in the event of my characters death decides who gets the bar..
So we can insta rule out market value as a reason for waring and occupation can be ruled out because the locations have zero stratagy value.
Now things like road ways and sewer routes, they could be fought over I guess at least those DO have straticgic value...
Just put one gang one side Of the MCMC and another Gang on the other demanding tolls ((idea)) for people passing into it, and you have a stratigic location... same with the bridges connecting the sims.. Least you gonna have a ruck if someones there saying "None shall pass"..
I'm sure theres other reasons for no faction wars as stated below, the main one for me is "No reason".. Personally I fight my own fights and don't see the need to drag an army into it..
And yeah sometimes conflicts or skirmishes just errupt randomly for no reason at all. I don't think you need to "declare" war on a faction, just "battle" them from time to time.
For instance I've been dragged into ((and admittidly started)) some skirmishes myself just because of personality clashes or because I'm lubricating the machine of some scheme.
Alliences.. I don't believe in... exchanging of favours I do.
I.E "you owe me one"
My character is not the type to start wars with factions, he's the type to start wars between factions..... "divide and conquer" |
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| Aegyptia Elvehjem |
| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: |
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KAOS is at war with everyone in a way, especially the UAC, just not the military sort of shoot em up war, those are one scene boring kinds of things really and hard to do due to lag and as Chandra and Shil said, take very careful planning to go right in the first place.
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| Rin Tae |
| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Maybe big faction wars are not what should happen everyday .. rather from time to time on special events, when there is something special to fight over.
What´s needed, is some general street violance between groups. Things like: member of gang A enters the territory of gang B and is in problems when spotted doing so. There is lots of space around the faction HQs for it and even when the bars are HQs too, they are free to enter so there is nothing that would prevent two members of gang A to walk over to the bar of gang B to cuase trouble (of course asking before and only when there is someone from gang B to react to it) and maybe beat up a customer to make sure, that everybody knows, that the bar of gang A is where everybody should go to next time.
Another point is territory with strategic value ... or rather economic value since there are some groups in the city which seems to be in the drug selling business and the bigger territory you control, the bigger the possible profit from it. It just need enough low rank members for the selling drugs part. And if gang B decides to beat a drug seller from gang A up in an alley because he or she tried to sell drugs on the wrong corner .. well .. there is a reason for a bigger fight. Not a war, but a little gang fight in the street.
The important part is, that it would all make the violance and danger in Midian visible and also accesable for new players.
And it creates the need to find a cop who would accept bribes for looking away too.
Just a little rant about faction wars and stuff .... I hope it makes some sense. |
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| RoxyannRepublic |
| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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It's a interesting topic
I consider the UAC/Legion at war constantly but not the shooting on the streets kind but along the lines of a cold war.
For a faction war to be truely sucessful in implimentation in Midian it would need careful GMing between faction leaders. A story should be told not pure freeform fighting on the streets otherwise it will get messy and people sooooooon get tired of getting contantly hurt randomly.
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